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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-17-2007 , 11:00 PM






Back then people didn't get so damn anal about the capacity. They just did
what they had to do and went on. Hell, I've had over a half ton in a ranger
without problems.

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"Joe" <Joe (AT) dontspam (DOT) net> wrote

I will venture to guess that a '56 F-100 had a
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payload of a half ton. Between there must have been some steps up in
GVWR.







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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 06:07 AM







"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

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The 150 is a half-ton, the 250 is 3/4 ton, and the 350 is 1 ton. The 450
is <I think> a 1.5 ton.


The cargo and passenger capacity is the truck's rated GVWR minus it's curb
weight (includes oil, fluids, water and fuel).

The '05 F-350 PSD that I just traded had a cargo capacity of over 4000 lbs.
(2 ton).

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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 07:10 AM



putt (AT) webtv (DOT) net sed:

Quote:
The F100 was a 1000lb capacity truck. #100=1000lbs=½ton. The F150
was 1500lbs. #150=1500lbs=¾ton. Recently I noticed a F150 commercial
and the capacity for todays F150 is ½ton! I musta missed the
'transition' somewhere along the line....
Let's see if I can figure this out. According to the data plate on my '02
F150 Supercab FX4, my GVWR is 6500lb.

GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - The max permissible total weight of
vehicle, occupants, optional equipment and cargo.

So, I need to know what my truck weighs. Lesee ... Shirley it'll be under
specs in the owner's manual ... Nope. Ah! There's a section on vehicle
loading with instructions on calculating the load I can haul ...

"Weigh your vehicle as you customarily operate the vehicle without cargo."

Feh! Till I know what she weighs empty, I don't know her capacity. But,
apparently, the lawyers are getting paid.


--
BG - Off to find some scales ...


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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 07:32 AM




"Steve Barker" <ichasetrains (AT) some (DOT) yahoo.com> wrote

Quote:
Back then people didn't get so damn anal about the capacity. They
just did what they had to do and went on. Hell, I've had over a
half ton in a ranger without problems.
Only 1/2 Ton? I had 1600 pounds of seed peanuts and chemicals on my
Fathers old Ranger two weeks ago. I had a ton of the same stuff on my
Frontier. No problem driving either - although I would not want to go
cross country loaded that way. I've actually had a ton of stuff on a
Ranger but don't recommend it. Even my old 1992 F150 could haul 3000
lbs, but again, I would not recommend going far that way.

The funniest thing that ever happened to me loading a truck was when I
was buying sand. One of the local sand companies would sell you a
"pick-up load" for a fixed price. No promise of weight, just "a load."
I was building a large sand box. I stopped by at the sand dealer and
got one load in my Ranger. The guy running the place used a huge CAT
loader. He got a small load in the bucket and carefully dumped sand
into the bed of the truck. I guess he watched the height of the bed
and stopped when he judged it was "enough." Later in the day I needed
another load. The guy that loaded me the first time was busy, so he
sent another guy out to load me. Apparently this guy did not know what
to do. He ran the loader into the pile and completely filled the
bucket. Just as he was about to dump the whole mess on my truck, the
first guy realized what was about to happen and ran out of the office
screaming and waving frantically. He chased the other guy out of the
loader, dumped most of the load back on the pile and then carefully
loaded my truck as before. I've always wondered what would have
happened if the first guy had dumped that whole load on my Ranger. I
suspect the sand company would have bought me a new truck, but I'll
never know.

Ed




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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 08:43 AM




"BGhouse" <wjghouse (AT) nospam (DOT) yahoo.com> wrote

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putt (AT) webtv (DOT) net sed:

Let's see if I can figure this out. According to the data plate on
my '02
F150 Supercab FX4, my GVWR is 6500lb.

GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - The max permissible total
weight of
vehicle, occupants, optional equipment and cargo.

So, I need to know what my truck weighs. Lesee ... Shirley it'll
be under
specs in the owner's manual ... Nope. Ah! There's a section on
vehicle
loading with instructions on calculating the load I can haul ...

"Weigh your vehicle as you customarily operate the vehicle without
cargo."

Feh! Till I know what she weighs empty, I don't know her capacity.
But,
apparently, the lawyers are getting paid.


--
BG - Off to find some scales ...
Take a look at the information available at
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...002/f150cd.pdf (
http://tinyurl.com/2c9u8v ). Ford provides base weights for all
models, plus adds/subtracts for opitons. With this information you
can, in theory, figure out the empty weight, except you also need to
include you, your personal gear, passengers, the passengers gear, mud
on the frame memebers, gas in the tank, etc., etc., etc. Probably
faster to find the scales...

Ed




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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 10:11 AM



"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> sed:

Quote:
"BGhouse" <wjghouse (AT) nospam (DOT) yahoo.com> wrote in message

Let's see if I can figure this out. According to the data plate on
my '02 F150 Supercab FX4, my GVWR is 6500lb.
GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - The max permissible total
weight of vehicle, occupants, optional equipment and cargo.
So, I need to know what my truck weighs. Lesee ... Shirley it'll
be under specs in the owner's manual ... Nope.
Feh! Till I know what she weighs empty, I don't know her capacity.

Take a look at the information available at
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...002/f150cd.pdf (
http://tinyurl.com/2c9u8v ). Ford provides base weights for all
models, plus adds/subtracts for opitons. With this information you
can, in theory, figure out the empty weight, except you also need to
include you, your personal gear, passengers, the passengers gear, mud
on the frame members, gas in the tank, etc., etc., etc. Probably
faster to find the scales...
Thanks! Great stuff! So ...

GVWR 6500
Base curb wt 4774
Accys 495
My weight 190
Addtl Capacity 1041

Course, these dont take everything into account. Hell, my trailer hitch
has gotta weigh 41 lbs. So, I can haul ~1000 lbs.

I guess it depends on how you define payload. Maximum Payload Rating for
my truck is 1725 lbs. I guess one could call that a 3/4 ton p/u.
Course, once you add up accys, occupants, tools, first aid kit, fire
extinguisher, tow cables, jumper cables, fishing gear, and yes, mud on
the frame members, what you can put in the bed is closer to a half ton.

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BG


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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 10:31 AM



The empty weight is sometimes on the title. Don't know how accurate that is
though. The local quarry or landfill will tell you. It MIGHT be in the
owners manual, 'course if you're like most people, you don't have that.

--
Steve Barker




"BGhouse" <wjghouse (AT) nospam (DOT) yahoo.com> wrote

Quote:
putt (AT) webtv (DOT) net sed:

The F100 was a 1000lb capacity truck. #100=1000lbs=½ton. The F150
was 1500lbs. #150=1500lbs=¾ton. Recently I noticed a F150 commercial
and the capacity for todays F150 is ½ton! I musta missed the
'transition' somewhere along the line....

Let's see if I can figure this out. According to the data plate on my '02
F150 Supercab FX4, my GVWR is 6500lb.

GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - The max permissible total weight of
vehicle, occupants, optional equipment and cargo.

So, I need to know what my truck weighs. Lesee ... Shirley it'll be
under
specs in the owner's manual ... Nope. Ah! There's a section on vehicle
loading with instructions on calculating the load I can haul ...

"Weigh your vehicle as you customarily operate the vehicle without cargo."

Feh! Till I know what she weighs empty, I don't know her capacity. But,
apparently, the lawyers are getting paid.


--
BG - Off to find some scales ...



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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-18-2007 , 11:10 AM



"Steve Barker" <ichasetrains (AT) some (DOT) yahoo.com> sed:

Quote:
The empty weight is sometimes on the title. Don't know how accurate
that is though. The local quarry or landfill will tell you. It MIGHT
be in the owners manual, 'course if you're like most people, you don't
have that.

I got the owner's manual from http://www.helminc.com/helm/homepage.asp, and
no, it doesn't have the curb weight. Too many variables I reckon.

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BG


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Big Al
 
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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-19-2007 , 01:51 AM




"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"Steve Barker" <ichasetrains (AT) some (DOT) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m6ydnUigC-AWudDbnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
Back then people didn't get so damn anal about the capacity. They
just did what they had to do and went on. Hell, I've had over a
half ton in a ranger without problems.

Only 1/2 Ton? I had 1600 pounds of seed peanuts and chemicals on my
Fathers old Ranger two weeks ago. I had a ton of the same stuff on my
Frontier. No problem driving either - although I would not want to go
cross country loaded that way. I've actually had a ton of stuff on a
Ranger but don't recommend it. Even my old 1992 F150 could haul 3000
lbs, but again, I would not recommend going far that way.

The funniest thing that ever happened to me loading a truck was when I
was buying sand. One of the local sand companies would sell you a
"pick-up load" for a fixed price. No promise of weight, just "a load."
I was building a large sand box. I stopped by at the sand dealer and
got one load in my Ranger. The guy running the place used a huge CAT
loader. He got a small load in the bucket and carefully dumped sand
into the bed of the truck. I guess he watched the height of the bed
and stopped when he judged it was "enough." Later in the day I needed
another load. The guy that loaded me the first time was busy, so he
sent another guy out to load me. Apparently this guy did not know what
to do. He ran the loader into the pile and completely filled the
bucket. Just as he was about to dump the whole mess on my truck, the
first guy realized what was about to happen and ran out of the office
screaming and waving frantically. He chased the other guy out of the
loader, dumped most of the load back on the pile and then carefully
loaded my truck as before. I've always wondered what would have
happened if the first guy had dumped that whole load on my Ranger. I
suspect the sand company would have bought me a new truck, but I'll
never know.

Ed

I saw an idiot put a traction motor from a large road engine in a F250. It
actually buckled the truck so the cab was smashed into the bed. Was working
at Union Pacific in the loco shop when it happened.

Al




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Steve Barker
 
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Default Re: When did this happen? - 05-19-2007 , 11:15 AM



Wow, how much does one of those weigh?

--
Steve Barker




"Big Al" <sal1 (AT) qwest (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
I saw an idiot put a traction motor from a large road engine in a F250. It
actually buckled the truck so the cab was smashed into the bed. Was
working
at Union Pacific in the loco shop when it happened.

Al





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