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Default Re: 2007 Ford Escape ... worth buying? - 04-27-2007 , 04:15 PM







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away in the form of heat and brake dust, or capturing some of it in a

Brake dust is not a form of energy! Unless you use an atomic reactor that
uses brake dust as a fuel.
I see that you used the intellectually dishonest method of editing the
previous posts by deleting importants parts with indicating that fact.

The poster, to whom I was replying, said, in part: " Coming down the hill,
you have the choice of throwing that energy away in the form of heat and
brake dust, or capturing some of it in a battery for later use."

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The brake dust is another waste product avoided by using regeneration.

In other words, there are a lot of energy conversions when the kinetic
energy of the truck is converted to chemical energy in the battery and
back. During these conversions, some of the energy is lost as heat.

And some of it is stored for use later.

It's a good option, but the option is not necessarily worth the cost of
making the batteries and other parts.

That would be the accounting that you haven't seen. Part of the phantom
loss is couched in the belief that each hybrid is sold at less than cost
by
the manufacturer. Toyota declares that is not true, that they make a
profit on every one.
Again, you were intellectually dishonest in the way you edited what was
said. You removed the part that showed I was talking about the environmental
costs, not the economic costs.

Does that mean that if ExxonMobil makes a profit on every gallon of gas,
that using gas is good for the environment?

If you want to make an intelligent choice about where a hybrid or
conventional car is a better choice for the environment, you need to look at
all the environmental costs of building the car, including the environmental
costs of building and disposing of the hybrid system compared to a
conventional car.

Jeff

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Default Re: 2007 Ford Escape ... worth buying? - 04-27-2007 , 05:26 PM







<dold (AT) 53 (DOT) usenet.us.com> wrote

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Jeff <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:
I see that you used the intellectually dishonest method of editing the
previous posts by deleting importants parts with indicating that fact.

The poster, to whom I was replying, said, in part: " Coming down the

I am that previous poster. I was rephrasing my thoughts. It is
unfortunate if you infer dishonorable intent.
In the future, I recommend putting <...> or something to indicate that stuff
was removed.

From where I was sitting, important details were removed, which changed the
conversion.

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It's a good option, but the option is not necessarily worth the cost
of making the batteries and other parts.

Again, you were intellectually dishonest in the way you edited what was
said. You removed the part that showed I was talking about the
environmental costs, not the economic costs.

It wasn't clear to me that you were referring to environmental costs in
that statement. I didn't realize that you were ignoring the economics.
OK, NP.

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If you want to make an intelligent choice about where a hybrid or
conventional car is a better choice for the environment, you need to look
at all the environmental costs of building the car, including the
environmental costs of building and disposing of the hybrid system
compared to a conventional car.

I see by continuation that you are referring only to environmental costs,
and not the dollar costs. I have tended to blend those two.
OK. NP.

I was talking about environmental costs.

As far as I can tell, financially, it comes out about even for the hybrid,
particularly with the lifetime of the batteries and hybrid system and the
cost of fuel in the future being unknown.

Personally, I don't car that much if Toyota or Ford is making money off a
particular purchase. I understand why you included that. In the end, I think
it is going to help Toyota beyound current profits, both because it improves
Toyota's image as making fuel efficent cars as well as giving Toyota more
options for the future.

Unfortunately, too many companies are too worried about the present quarter
and not paying enough to the financial results of the future.

Jeff
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