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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-01-2006 , 07:40 PM






"DDAY" <DDAY (AT) nospamearthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

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Thanks to everyone who suggested that the problem was the waterpump.
I had the mechanic replace it and when he opened up the old one it
looked like it had melted. The blades were essentially stumps.

The mechanic said that he just had a similar problem with a water pump
on a Mercedes. The shaft had stripped out, so that it was spinning,
but it was not spinning the blades.

As to those who suggested that my mechanic was an idiot--I took it to
three mechanics and none of them figured it out. Lotsa idiots, I
think.
Well, maybe that was a little harsh.... but this problem is far from really
rare.

If he took trade mags or did a few hours on the net, per week, he'd have
known about it.

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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-01-2006 , 08:50 PM








Backyard Mechanic wrote:
Quote:
"DDAY" <DDAY (AT) nospamearthlink (DOT) net> wrote:


Thanks to everyone who suggested that the problem was the waterpump.
I had the mechanic replace it and when he opened up the old one it
looked like it had melted. The blades were essentially stumps.

The mechanic said that he just had a similar problem with a water pump
on a Mercedes. The shaft had stripped out, so that it was spinning,
but it was not spinning the blades.

As to those who suggested that my mechanic was an idiot--I took it to
three mechanics and none of them figured it out. Lotsa idiots, I
think.


Well, maybe that was a little harsh.... but this problem is far from really
rare.

If he took trade mags or did a few hours on the net, per week, he'd have
known about it.

It does make me wonder. I am seeing on ebay and such 3 gen taurus with
3.0's with bad headgaskets. I wonder if its a secondary effect of the
water pump impellers rotting off? And what changed on the 3.0
when they went to coil packs and cam sensors to make the cooling
system more corrosive?

Bob

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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-01-2006 , 10:06 PM



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In article <Xns97B6C851B71ADpettyfogery (AT) 207 (DOT) 115.17.102>, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog (AT) yaywho (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
As to those who suggested that my mechanic was an idiot--I took it to
three mechanics and none of them figured it out. Lotsa idiots, I
think.

Well, maybe that was a little harsh.... but this problem is far from really
rare.

If he took trade mags or did a few hours on the net, per week, he'd have
known about it.
Like I said, I took it to three different mechanics. I think most of them
learn based upon what they see themselves, not by doing research. If they
see another late 1990s Ford with this problem and they get a solution, then
they'll remember that. Otherwise, they're clueless.

But I have to admit that once you guys explained it here it made perfect
sense. It fit the symptoms. The first time this thing acted up the first
mechanic told me that my coolant fluid was brown, which made no sense
because I had changed the fluid no more than a year or so before. Clearly
it was showing the effects of the corrosion in the pump. But the fan and
the water pump were both working.

My guess is that all these mechanics figured that the water pump was working
and never bothered to ask how _good_ it was working.




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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-01-2006 , 11:52 PM



DDAY wrote:
Quote:
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In article <Xns97B6C851B71ADpettyfogery (AT) 207 (DOT) 115.17.102>, Backyard Mechanic
pettyfog (AT) yaywho (DOT) com> wrote:


As to those who suggested that my mechanic was an idiot--I took it to
three mechanics and none of them figured it out. Lotsa idiots, I
think.

Well, maybe that was a little harsh.... but this problem is far from really
rare.

If he took trade mags or did a few hours on the net, per week, he'd have
known about it.


Like I said, I took it to three different mechanics. I think most of them
learn based upon what they see themselves, not by doing research. If they
see another late 1990s Ford with this problem and they get a solution, then
they'll remember that. Otherwise, they're clueless.

But I have to admit that once you guys explained it here it made perfect
sense. It fit the symptoms. The first time this thing acted up the first
mechanic told me that my coolant fluid was brown, which made no sense
because I had changed the fluid no more than a year or so before. Clearly
it was showing the effects of the corrosion in the pump. But the fan and
the water pump were both working.

My guess is that all these mechanics figured that the water pump was working
and never bothered to ask how _good_ it was working.




D

Hey DDAY. I don't want to rain on your parade, really I don't, but... If you had brown
coolant then expect problems with the core plugs rusting and leaking. It's a
continuation of the pump erosion concern. There was a recall on many of these vehicles
for "Brown Coolant" that included some nasty multiple flushing and addition of some
bypass hoses in the heater lines. I'm sure the recall has expired by now, but maybe
your local Ford dealer can clue you in on it so you'll know what to expect down the
road. ( I should clarify, this was a Campaign, Recalls are for safety related items,
last I understood).
..


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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-02-2006 , 09:42 AM



Tom Adkins <newton5 (AT) remove (DOT) comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
Hey DDAY. I don't want to rain on your parade, really I don't, but...
If you had brown coolant then expect problems with the core plugs
rusting and leaking.
ALSO note:

You did NOT mention this 'brown coolant within year of change' in the OP!

If you had... the chorus, including pointers to the bypass mod would have
been resounding!

The MORE info, the better the reply ..

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!


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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-02-2006 , 07:26 PM



Tom Adkins wrote:
Quote:
DDAY wrote:
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In article <Xns97B6C851B71ADpettyfogery (AT) 207 (DOT) 115.17.102>, Backyard
Mechanic
pettyfog (AT) yaywho (DOT) com> wrote:


As to those who suggested that my mechanic was an idiot--I took it to
three mechanics and none of them figured it out. Lotsa idiots, I
think.

Well, maybe that was a little harsh.... but this problem is far from
really
rare.

If he took trade mags or did a few hours on the net, per week, he'd have
known about it.


Like I said, I took it to three different mechanics. I think most of
them
learn based upon what they see themselves, not by doing research. If
they
see another late 1990s Ford with this problem and they get a solution,
then
they'll remember that. Otherwise, they're clueless.

But I have to admit that once you guys explained it here it made perfect
sense. It fit the symptoms. The first time this thing acted up the
first
mechanic told me that my coolant fluid was brown, which made no sense
because I had changed the fluid no more than a year or so before.
Clearly
it was showing the effects of the corrosion in the pump. But the fan and
the water pump were both working.

My guess is that all these mechanics figured that the water pump was
working
and never bothered to ask how _good_ it was working.




D

Hey DDAY. I don't want to rain on your parade, really I don't, but... If
you had brown coolant then expect problems with the core plugs rusting
and leaking. It's a continuation of the pump erosion concern. There was
a recall on many of these vehicles for "Brown Coolant" that included
some nasty multiple flushing and addition of some bypass hoses in the
heater lines. I'm sure the recall has expired by now, but maybe your
local Ford dealer can clue you in on it so you'll know what to expect
down the road. ( I should clarify, this was a Campaign, Recalls are for
safety related items, last I understood).
.
Yep, I learned of this problem on this NG. Ive worked on Taurus's from
about 91's-2000s. I NEVER remember seeing that problem. BUT, the coolant
was changed when it needed it too . I do remember changing water pumps
on them but not because the impeller was ate up, but because the bearing
was ate up. Of course it could be the driver drove it till it melted and
it got an engine with a new water pump.


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Default Re: 97 Ford Taurus overheating - 05-03-2006 , 01:37 PM



Backyard Mechanic wrote:
Quote:
Tom Adkins <newton5 (AT) remove (DOT) comcast.net> wrote:


Hey DDAY. I don't want to rain on your parade, really I don't, but...
If you had brown coolant then expect problems with the core plugs
rusting and leaking.


ALSO note:

You did NOT mention this 'brown coolant within year of change' in the OP!

If you had... the chorus, including pointers to the bypass mod would have
been resounding!

The MORE info, the better the reply ..
Does the coolant hose bypass mod' apply to a 95' Taurus/Sable with the
3.0 engine?

Thanks


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