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Re: Fusion targets imports, for less less money -
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BTW, you can buy an equivalent Camry (no AWD available), but even with |
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Ed
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On Mar 5, 4:51 pm, Andrew Rossmann andysnewsreply (AT) no_junk (DOT) comcast.net> wrote: In article <kv%Gh.1745$3i.1006@trnddc01>, n... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com says... What is the difference in performance between the Toyota 4-cyl and Ford Fusion, like acceleration? Fuel economy? The specs I saw has my 10-year old Contour (0 - 60 in 7.1 sec) faster than the Ford Fusion (7.5 sec) even though my engine only makes about 170 HP and 170 lb-ft of torque, while the Fusion is over 200 in both. It seems that the Fusion's performance is not all that great, considering the amount of power. The Contour weighed around 3000-3100 lbs. The Fusion is 3300-3500 lbs. Not to mention gearing and HP/Torque curves all play into acceleration, too. Consumer Reports measured the 0-60 for a Fusion SEL AWD 3.0L V-6 as 8.0 sec. The 4 cylinder manual FWD was 9.5 sec. Interestingly Car and Driver did a 8.1 sec 0-60 in a four cylinder Fusion and did a 7.4 sec 0-60 with a V-6 FWD Fusion. The V-6 FWD Camry tested by CR did a 7.1 sec 0-60. C&D's V-6 Camry did a 7.5 sec 0-60. The 4 cylinder Camry tested by CR managed a 9.6 sec 0-60. So if the 4 cylinder Camry is good, I suppose any Fusion is good too. As far as fuel economy, here are the CR averages - vehicle / overall / city / highway / 150 mile trip Camry 4 / 24 / 16 / 36 / 29 Camry V6 / 23 / 16 / 36 / 29 (seems unbelievable compared to the 4) Fusion 4 / 23 / 15 / 32 / 27 Fusion V-6 AWD / 20 / 14 / 29 / 25 The AWD Fusion suffers in both fuel economy and performace relative to the 2WD version, but then again, I like the idea of AWD - which is why I bought one. I am doing considerably better than 20 around town, but not nearly 29 on the highway (but then my only highway trip was down I-95 with speeds over 75 mph). Overall I am averaging about 23 mph. I think about the best you can say is that the FWD Fusion has equivalent to slightly better performance than the Camry, and equivalent to slightly worse fuel economy. If you get an AWD Fusion, you are porbably going to suffer with slightly worse performance and fuel economy than the FWD version. BTW, you can buy an equivalent Camry (no AWD available), but even with the AWD I figure I would have paid at least $4000 more for an equivalent Camry. That will buy a lot of gas. Ed |
4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is
about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph.
Jeff
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"Ed White" <ce.white3 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1173133956.841930.98500 (AT) h3g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Mar 5, 4:51 pm, Andrew Rossmann andysnewsreply (AT) no_junk (DOT) comcast.net> wrote: In article <kv%Gh.1745$3i.1006@trnddc01>, n... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com says... What is the difference in performance between the Toyota 4-cyl and Ford Fusion, like acceleration? Fuel economy? The specs I saw has my 10-year old Contour (0 - 60 in 7.1 sec) faster than the Ford Fusion (7.5 sec) even though my engine only makes about 170 HP and 170 lb-ft of torque, while the Fusion is over 200 in both. It seems that the Fusion's performance is not all that great, considering the amount of power. .. Consumer Reports measured the 0-60 for a Fusion SEL AWD 3.0L V-6 as 8.0 sec. The 4 cylinder manual FWD was 9.5 sec. Interestingly Car and Driver did a 8.1 sec 0-60 in a four cylinder Fusion and did a 7.4 sec 0-60 with a V-6 FWD Fusion. The V-6 FWD Camry tested by CR did a 7.1 sec 0-60. C&D's V-6 Camry did a 7.5 sec 0-60. The 4 cylinder Camry tested by CR managed a 9.6 sec 0-60. So if the 4 cylinder Camry is good, I suppose any Fusion is good too. As far as fuel economy, here are the CR averages - vehicle / overall / city / highway / 150 mile trip Camry 4 / 24 / 16 / 36 / 29 Camry V6 / 23 / 16 / 36 / 29 (seems unbelievable compared to the 4) Fusion 4 / 23 / 15 / 32 / 27 Fusion V-6 AWD / 20 / 14 / 29 / 25 The AWD Fusion suffers in both fuel economy and performace relative to the 2WD version, but then again, I like the idea of AWD - which is why I bought one. I am doing considerably better than 20 around town, but not nearly 29 on the highway (but then my only highway trip was down I-95 with speeds over 75 mph). Overall I am averaging about 23 mph. I think about the best you can say is that the FWD Fusion has equivalent to slightly better performance than the Camry, and equivalent to slightly worse fuel economy. If you get an AWD Fusion, you are porbably going to suffer with slightly worse performance and fuel economy than the FWD version. BTW, you can't buy an equivalent Camry (no AWD available), but even with the AWD I figure I would have paid at least $4000 more for an equivalent Camry. That will buy a lot of gas. Ed Which transmission did the 4 cyl have? Mike is saying that people are buying 4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph. Jeff |
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Forget published 0 to 60 'test,' go drive both on the road a see for yourself. The difference is torque, and at the RPM at which it occurs. When you get to a grade, that difference become apparent.as to which performs better in the road. The more expensive 4cy Camry needs to run two gears down, from that of the Fusion, to maintain the same speed. If the grade is great enough the Camry can not even maintain speed. You don't get your best fuel mileage if you can't run in top gear more often. Top gear, is double OD on the V6 Fusion, as well mike "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:x32Hh.1759$3i.1726 (AT) trnddc01 (DOT) .. "Ed White" <ce.white3 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1173133956.841930.98500 (AT) h3g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Mar 5, 4:51 pm, Andrew Rossmann andysnewsreply (AT) no_junk (DOT) comcast.net> wrote: In article <kv%Gh.1745$3i.1006@trnddc01>, n... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com says... What is the difference in performance between the Toyota 4-cyl and Ford Fusion, like acceleration? Fuel economy? The specs I saw has my 10-year old Contour (0 - 60 in 7.1 sec) faster than the Ford Fusion (7.5 sec) even though my engine only makes about 170 HP and 170 lb-ft of torque, while the Fusion is over 200 in both. It seems that the Fusion's performance is not all that great, considering the amount of power. . Consumer Reports measured the 0-60 for a Fusion SEL AWD 3.0L V-6 as 8.0 sec. The 4 cylinder manual FWD was 9.5 sec. Interestingly Car and Driver did a 8.1 sec 0-60 in a four cylinder Fusion and did a 7.4 sec 0-60 with a V-6 FWD Fusion. The V-6 FWD Camry tested by CR did a 7.1 sec 0-60. C&D's V-6 Camry did a 7.5 sec 0-60. The 4 cylinder Camry tested by CR managed a 9.6 sec 0-60. So if the 4 cylinder Camry is good, I suppose any Fusion is good too. As far as fuel economy, here are the CR averages - vehicle / overall / city / highway / 150 mile trip Camry 4 / 24 / 16 / 36 / 29 Camry V6 / 23 / 16 / 36 / 29 (seems unbelievable compared to the 4) Fusion 4 / 23 / 15 / 32 / 27 Fusion V-6 AWD / 20 / 14 / 29 / 25 The AWD Fusion suffers in both fuel economy and performace relative to the 2WD version, but then again, I like the idea of AWD - which is why I bought one. I am doing considerably better than 20 around town, but not nearly 29 on the highway (but then my only highway trip was down I-95 with speeds over 75 mph). Overall I am averaging about 23 mph. I think about the best you can say is that the FWD Fusion has equivalent to slightly better performance than the Camry, and equivalent to slightly worse fuel economy. If you get an AWD Fusion, you are porbably going to suffer with slightly worse performance and fuel economy than the FWD version. BTW, you can't buy an equivalent Camry (no AWD available), but even with the AWD I figure I would have paid at least $4000 more for an equivalent Camry. That will buy a lot of gas. Ed Which transmission did the 4 cyl have? Mike is saying that people are buying 4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph. Jeff |
mileage with a 4-cyl Camry than a V6 Fusion. There are trade-offs between
fuel mileage and performance. More people appear to be choosing the better
fuel mileage of the Camry.
Jeff
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That persons opinion aside, the Fusion will standout greatly, however, when one asks the preverbal question, "How much is my monthly payment?" Particularly when the buyer chooses the V6 with the six speed tranny. |
Fusion, Edge, many more, they all have those fake chrome grilles that
add nothing to the car's look (it looks like cheap bling-bling you would
see on a Pimped Civic)
Chrome is good, when it's tasteful. But it seems they overdesigned those
parts...
Just wondering...
--
Don't drink water, fish have sex in it!
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Which transmission did the 4 cyl have? Mike is saying that people are buying 4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph. |
The Car and Drive 4 cylinder Fusion was a manual (8.1 sec 0-60).
Consumer Reports tested a 4 cylinder automatic Milan (0-60 9.5 sec)
and a V-6 automatic Fusion AWD (0-60 8.0 sec).
Here is a shocker - CR gave the 4 cylinder Camry an "average" rating
for reliability and as a new or used car. The V-6 Camry got an above
average rating as both a new and used car. The Fusion got a much
better than average rating as a new or used car. Too bad most Camry
buyers will never know they are buying a car that even CR is rating
second best compared to a Fusion.
I think Mike is right if he is claiming that the majority of Camrys
sold include the 4 cylinder engine. I've read that 85% of Camry are
sold with a four cylinder engine. Ford is expecting closer to a 50/50
mix (at least according to the ordering guide). It looks like Ford
expects less than 10% of Fusion will have the manual transmission.
Ed
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"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:x32Hh.1759$3i.1726 (AT) trnddc01 (DOT) .. Which transmission did the 4 cyl have? Mike is saying that people are buying 4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph. The Consumer Reports 4 cylinder Camry had an automatic (9.6 sec 0-60). The Car and Drive 4 cylinder Fusion was a manual (8.1 sec 0-60). Consumer Reports tested a 4 cylinder automatic Milan (0-60 9.5 sec) and a V-6 automatic Fusion AWD (0-60 8.0 sec). Here is a shocker - CR gave the 4 cylinder Camry an "average" rating for reliability and as a new or used car. The V-6 Camry got an above average rating as both a new and used car. The Fusion got a much better than average rating as a new or used car. Too bad most Camry buyers will never know they are buying a car that even CR is rating second best compared to a Fusion. I think Mike is right if he is claiming that the majority of Camrys sold include the 4 cylinder engine. I've read that 85% of Camry are sold with a four cylinder engine. Ford is expecting closer to a 50/50 mix (at least according to the ordering guide). It looks like Ford expects less than 10% of Fusion will have the manual transmission. Ed |
better overall performance for some, when they balance fuel economy and
power, because the power actually getting to the wheels is similar for both
the 4-cyl Camry and the V6 Fusion, as seen by similar acceleration numbers.
Of course, they can get similar performance with a 4-cyl standard
transmission, Fusion too.
Do you know on what basis the Camry was rated lower than the Fusion?
Jeff
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45ed639e$1 (AT) kcnews01 (DOT) .. "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:x32Hh.1759$3i.1726 (AT) trnddc01 (DOT) .. Which transmission did the 4 cyl have? Mike is saying that people are buying 4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph. The Consumer Reports 4 cylinder Camry had an automatic (9.6 sec 0-60). The Car and Drive 4 cylinder Fusion was a manual (8.1 sec 0-60). Consumer Reports tested a 4 cylinder automatic Milan (0-60 9.5 sec) and a V-6 automatic Fusion AWD (0-60 8.0 sec). Here is a shocker - CR gave the 4 cylinder Camry an "average" rating for reliability and as a new or used car. The V-6 Camry got an above average rating as both a new and used car. The Fusion got a much better than average rating as a new or used car. Too bad most Camry buyers will never know they are buying a car that even CR is rating second best compared to a Fusion. I think Mike is right if he is claiming that the majority of Camrys sold include the 4 cylinder engine. I've read that 85% of Camry are sold with a four cylinder engine. Ford is expecting closer to a 50/50 mix (at least according to the ordering guide). It looks like Ford expects less than 10% of Fusion will have the manual transmission. Ed Camries are also sold with mostly manual transmissions. |
No way.
I never see stick shift Camrys or Accords(except for mine, of course).
Rob
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Mike Hunter wrote: That persons opinion aside, the Fusion will standout greatly, however, when one asks the preverbal question, "How much is my monthly payment?" Particularly when the buyer chooses the V6 with the six speed tranny. What is it with Ford front grilles anyways? Fusion, Edge, many more, they all have those fake chrome grilles that add nothing to the car's look (it looks like cheap bling-bling you would see on a Pimped Civic) Chrome is good, when it's tasteful. But it seems they overdesigned those parts... Just wondering... -- Don't drink water, fish have sex in it! |
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"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:x32Hh.1759$3i.1726 (AT) trnddc01 (DOT) .. Which transmission did the 4 cyl have? Mike is saying that people are buying 4-cyl Camries instead of V6 Fusions. I think the acceleration for this is about 8.5 sec to go from 0 to 60 mph. The Consumer Reports 4 cylinder Camry had an automatic (9.6 sec 0-60). The Car and Drive 4 cylinder Fusion was a manual (8.1 sec 0-60). Consumer Reports tested a 4 cylinder automatic Milan (0-60 9.5 sec) and a V-6 automatic Fusion AWD (0-60 8.0 sec). Here is a shocker - CR gave the 4 cylinder Camry an "average" rating for reliability and as a new or used car. The V-6 Camry got an above average rating as both a new and used car. The Fusion got a much better than average rating as a new or used car. Too bad most Camry buyers will never know they are buying a car that even CR is rating second best compared to a Fusion. I think Mike is right if he is claiming that the majority of Camrys sold include the 4 cylinder engine. I've read that 85% of Camry are sold with a four cylinder engine. Ford is expecting closer to a 50/50 mix (at least according to the ordering guide). It looks like Ford expects less than 10% of Fusion will have the manual transmission. Ed |
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