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Default Help!!!-engine trouble - 01-06-2007 , 08:04 PM






Hello all, I will start by thanking you far taking time to read and
reply to this. I have a 1968 Mustang with a 302 and a Demon 625cfm Road
demon jr. and a relatively mild comp cams cam (I think it's specs are
something like 168 degrees and .460 inches of lift) Right now it is set
at about 16 degrees advance (the cam manufacture reccomends 14-20) and
I have tried all the way from 10 degrees retarded to 30 degrees
advance. It has a c-4 transmission that was JUST re-built, and I dont
know how the engine ran before the rebuild because they were rebuilt at
the same time. Now, the problem is that the engine runs GREAT in park
or neutral, but as soon as the transmission is shifted into gear, the
rpms drop (as the should, I think) and the engine soon dies if it's not
given gas. The engine doesnt pull under acceleration, either. The car
has power breaks, which are somewhat "soft"....which leads me to
believe that there is a vaccum leak, yet the engine will pull 10-15
inches if the timing is set right. The vaccum needle usually jumps
around +/- 1 inch too. I'm not sure if that amount is typical for the
cam described above. Is there a vaccum leak? Would a leak cause the
problem described? What else could it be? Does anyone have good methods
for finding vaccum elaks? I really have no idea how to search for them.
Thanks for all your help!! If you need more info, ask, I'll check this
post regularly.

-Dan


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Berkshire Bill
 
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Default Re: Help!!!-engine trouble - 01-06-2007 , 08:38 PM







"bobar3425" <dsimpson (AT) redcircle (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hello all, I will start by thanking you far taking time to read and
reply to this. I have a 1968 Mustang with a 302 and a Demon 625cfm Road
demon jr. and a relatively mild comp cams cam (I think it's specs are
something like 168 degrees and .460 inches of lift) Right now it is set
at about 16 degrees advance (the cam manufacture reccomends 14-20) and
I have tried all the way from 10 degrees retarded to 30 degrees
advance. It has a c-4 transmission that was JUST re-built, and I dont
know how the engine ran before the rebuild because they were rebuilt at
the same time. Now, the problem is that the engine runs GREAT in park
or neutral, but as soon as the transmission is shifted into gear, the
rpms drop (as the should, I think) and the engine soon dies if it's not
given gas. The engine doesnt pull under acceleration, either. The car
has power breaks, which are somewhat "soft"....which leads me to
believe that there is a vaccum leak, yet the engine will pull 10-15
inches if the timing is set right. The vaccum needle usually jumps
around +/- 1 inch too. I'm not sure if that amount is typical for the
cam described above. Is there a vaccum leak? Would a leak cause the
problem described? What else could it be? Does anyone have good methods
for finding vaccum elaks? I really have no idea how to search for them.
Thanks for all your help!! If you need more info, ask, I'll check this
post regularly.

-Dan

The easiest way to check for a vaccum leak is with an unlit propane torch.
You don't need a lot of gas from the torch to make the idle jump when you
find the leak. Others use starting fluid but I've burned my hand a couple
times from the ether igniting so I shy away from that unless there's nothing
else around. Check carefully for hoses and other odds and ends not hooked up
seeing as this is a new build-up.

Happy modeming,
Bill




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Jim Warman
 
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Default Re: Help!!!-engine trouble - 01-06-2007 , 10:09 PM



Many years ago, I got "bit" by an intake gasket with really tough end seals
(the cork ones).... Since then, when ever I torque an intake on any Windsor
engine, I repeat the torque process several times.... it's amazing how much
you can "gain" on subsequent passes. Once you don't gain any more turns (or
partial turns), you are done...

HTH



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bobar3425
 
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Default Re: Help!!!-engine trouble - 01-06-2007 , 10:29 PM




Jim Warman wrote:
Quote:
Many years ago, I got "bit" by an intake gasket with really tough end seals
(the cork ones).... Since then, when ever I torque an intake on any Windsor
engine, I repeat the torque process several times.... it's amazing how much
you can "gain" on subsequent passes. Once you don't gain any more turns (or
partial turns), you are done...

HTH

thanks for your help, i'll try these things and let you guys know

-dan



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Big Baz
 
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Default Re: Help!!!-engine trouble - 01-14-2007 , 01:54 AM



look at the carby or dizzy. make sure your vac advance is ok on the dizzy
and butterflies are opening fully under full throttle (engine off). The
reason I say this is because I had a 400 (LTD) with a reaqlly leaky inlet
manifold and carby but it never acted the way u describe. It did have std
cam tho.


"bobar3425" <dsimpson (AT) redcircle (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hello all, I will start by thanking you far taking time to read and
reply to this. I have a 1968 Mustang with a 302 and a Demon 625cfm Road
demon jr. and a relatively mild comp cams cam (I think it's specs are
something like 168 degrees and .460 inches of lift) Right now it is set
at about 16 degrees advance (the cam manufacture reccomends 14-20) and
I have tried all the way from 10 degrees retarded to 30 degrees
advance. It has a c-4 transmission that was JUST re-built, and I dont
know how the engine ran before the rebuild because they were rebuilt at
the same time. Now, the problem is that the engine runs GREAT in park
or neutral, but as soon as the transmission is shifted into gear, the
rpms drop (as the should, I think) and the engine soon dies if it's not
given gas. The engine doesnt pull under acceleration, either. The car
has power breaks, which are somewhat "soft"....which leads me to
believe that there is a vaccum leak, yet the engine will pull 10-15
inches if the timing is set right. The vaccum needle usually jumps
around +/- 1 inch too. I'm not sure if that amount is typical for the
cam described above. Is there a vaccum leak? Would a leak cause the
problem described? What else could it be? Does anyone have good methods
for finding vaccum elaks? I really have no idea how to search for them.
Thanks for all your help!! If you need more info, ask, I'll check this
post regularly.

-Dan




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