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Default Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-06-2009 , 06:27 AM






Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup

Automotive News
March 5, 2009 - 3:00 am ET

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. (Reuters) -- Ford Motor Co. expects electric
vehicles will represent a "major portion" of its lineup a decade from
now as the automaker breaks away from a recent reliance on pickup
trucks and SUVs, CEO Alan Mulally said.

"In 10 years, 12 years, you are going to see a major portion of our
portfolio move to electric vehicles," Mulally said at the Wall Street
Journal ECO:nomics conference in Santa Barbara, California.

Ford has outlined plans for a range of battery-powered and hybrid
vehicles over the next several years but the comments by Mulally
represented one of the clearest indications of the automaker's
longer-term plans for electric car technology.

Ford was the first U.S. automaker to roll out its own hybrid with the
Escape SUV in 2004. But Ford backed away from an ambitious commitment
to hybrid development and sales just a year later as its own financial
problems deepened.

In recent weeks, the No. 2 U.S. automaker has announced plans to
introduce a battery-powered commercial van in 2010, a battery-powered
small car the following year and a plug-in hybrid to challenge the
Chevy Volt from General Motors starting in 2012.

The stakes are high because Ford's stepped-up investment is coming at
a time when the U.S. government is demanding steep increases in fuel
economy and has put money forward to help automakers adopt new
fuel-saving technologies.

"Ten years is going to come very quickly and I think we'll have a
significant

improvement in the fuel efficiency in the internal combustion engine,"
Mulally said in response to a question about what Ford expected a
decade from now.

"You'll see more hybrids, but you will really see a lot more electric
vehicles," he said.

Ford just negotiated a new round of concessions from the United Auto
Workers for a contract set to expire in 2011 and on Wednesday launched
a debt exchange program intended to cut its automotive debt by up to
about $10 billion.

Both actions are aimed at cutting costs in response to a collapse in
auto sales in the United States and a deepening slowdown in key
overseas markets.

Mulally said Ford was committed to shifting away from its recent
reliance on light trucks for 60 percent or more of its sales so that
more fuel-efficient passenger cars dominate.

"We can now make cars in the United States and we can do it
profitably," he said.

The global recession has brought gas prices in the United States down
sharply from peak levels of last summer, but Mulally said Ford was
building a strategy around longer-term energy scarcity.

"Over time, we are going to see ever-increasing prices for energy," he
said.

Ford, which has been lauded for recent quality advances, has tried to
position itself as a competitor with Japanese imports in the U.S. car
market and distance itself from its ailing cross-town rivals GM and
Chrysler LLC.

Mulally, who testified last year before Congress when Ford was seeking
a $9-billion letter of credit, said again that the automaker could
complete its restructuring without government aid.

"We went to Washington to help GM and Chrysler, we didn't need the
money," he said.



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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-10-2009 , 05:29 PM






Toyota, Ford, via Volvo,and a Japanese electric company developed the
technology used in the first hybrids and they were all cross licensed to us
it. Toyota was smart when it offered its hybrid as a separate vehicle,
rather then offering the drive system in a current model.

Prospective Toyotas hybrid buyers did not make the connect to Toyotas other
vehicle of the same size, the Corolla. By doing so Toyota had the
opportunity to get buyers to pay the extra premium to buy a hybrid. A
premium that would buy ALL of the fuel for the conventional powered twins
for three of four years, before one saved a dime on the difference in fuel
usage.

Honda and Ford offered their hybrid drive in current vehicles, the Civic
Accord and the Escape. Adding that premium to a conversional model, made
it harder for Honda and Ford to sell their hybrids because it was obvious to
the astute buyer that the premium that would buy ALL of the fuel for the
conventional powered twins for three of four years, before they would save a
dime on the difference in fuel usage.. When fuel priced dropped to two
dollars, sales went into the dumper for all them but not as great for the
Pruis, but even it sales dropped 50%

In my opinion GMs hybrids, using motors built into the tranny, is a far
better way of utilizing the eclectic traction, in a less complicated way,
then with a separate electric motor.

Ford in spot on, in the not too distant future hybrids will go away, pure
electrics like the Volt will be the norm but gas and diesel engines will not
go away for certain types of vehicles


"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup

Automotive News
March 5, 2009 - 3:00 am ET

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. (Reuters) -- Ford Motor Co. expects electric
vehicles will represent a "major portion" of its lineup a decade from now
as the automaker breaks away from a recent reliance on pickup trucks and
SUVs, CEO Alan Mulally said.

"In 10 years, 12 years, you are going to see a major portion of our
portfolio move to electric vehicles," Mulally said at the Wall Street
Journal ECO:nomics conference in Santa Barbara, California.

Ford has outlined plans for a range of battery-powered and hybrid vehicles
over the next several years but the comments by Mulally represented one of
the clearest indications of the automaker's longer-term plans for electric
car technology.

Ford was the first U.S. automaker to roll out its own hybrid with the
Escape SUV in 2004. But Ford backed away from an ambitious commitment to
hybrid development and sales just a year later as its own financial
problems deepened.

In recent weeks, the No. 2 U.S. automaker has announced plans to introduce
a battery-powered commercial van in 2010, a battery-powered small car the
following year and a plug-in hybrid to challenge the Chevy Volt from
General Motors starting in 2012.

The stakes are high because Ford's stepped-up investment is coming at a
time when the U.S. government is demanding steep increases in fuel economy
and has put money forward to help automakers adopt new fuel-saving
technologies.

"Ten years is going to come very quickly and I think we'll have a
significant

improvement in the fuel efficiency in the internal combustion engine,"
Mulally said in response to a question about what Ford expected a decade
from now.

"You'll see more hybrids, but you will really see a lot more electric
vehicles," he said.

Ford just negotiated a new round of concessions from the United Auto
Workers for a contract set to expire in 2011 and on Wednesday launched a
debt exchange program intended to cut its automotive debt by up to about
$10 billion.

Both actions are aimed at cutting costs in response to a collapse in auto
sales in the United States and a deepening slowdown in key overseas
markets.

Mulally said Ford was committed to shifting away from its recent reliance
on light trucks for 60 percent or more of its sales so that more
fuel-efficient passenger cars dominate.

"We can now make cars in the United States and we can do it profitably,"
he said.

The global recession has brought gas prices in the United States down
sharply from peak levels of last summer, but Mulally said Ford was
building a strategy around longer-term energy scarcity.

"Over time, we are going to see ever-increasing prices for energy," he
said.

Ford, which has been lauded for recent quality advances, has tried to
position itself as a competitor with Japanese imports in the U.S. car
market and distance itself from its ailing cross-town rivals GM and
Chrysler LLC.

Mulally, who testified last year before Congress when Ford was seeking a
$9-billion letter of credit, said again that the automaker could complete
its restructuring without government aid.

"We went to Washington to help GM and Chrysler, we didn't need the money,"
he said.




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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-10-2009 , 08:39 PM



"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote

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Toyota, Ford, via Volvo,and a Japanese electric company developed the
technology used in the first hybrids and they were all cross licensed to
us it.
Mike, I question whether Ford's hybrid technology came from Volvo. The
first Ford hybrid patents were filed six years before Volvo was acquired.
I've never heard anything internally that indicates that it did either. Can
you be more specific?

Derek




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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-11-2009 , 11:14 AM



Obviously when Ford acquired Volvo they acquired their patents as well

"Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSUCKS (AT) twmi (DOT) INVALID.rr.com> wrote

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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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Toyota, Ford, via Volvo,and a Japanese electric company developed the
technology used in the first hybrids and they were all cross licensed to
us it.

Mike, I question whether Ford's hybrid technology came from Volvo. The
first Ford hybrid patents were filed six years before Volvo was acquired.
I've never heard anything internally that indicates that it did either.
Can you be more specific?

Derek




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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-11-2009 , 11:19 AM



The only thing motivating the vehicle is an electric motor. The gas engine,
as you point out runs a generator, it does not motivate the vehicle


"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:29:45 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Toyota, Ford, via Volvo,and a Japanese electric company developed the
technology used in the first hybrids and they were all cross licensed to
us
it. Toyota was smart when it offered its hybrid as a separate vehicle,
rather then offering the drive system in a current model.

Prospective Toyotas hybrid buyers did not make the connect to Toyotas
other
vehicle of the same size, the Corolla. By doing so Toyota had the
opportunity to get buyers to pay the extra premium to buy a hybrid. A
premium that would buy ALL of the fuel for the conventional powered twins
for three of four years, before one saved a dime on the difference in fuel
usage.

Honda and Ford offered their hybrid drive in current vehicles, the Civic
Accord and the Escape. Adding that premium to a conversional model, made
it harder for Honda and Ford to sell their hybrids because it was obvious
to
the astute buyer that the premium that would buy ALL of the fuel for the
conventional powered twins for three of four years, before they would save
a
dime on the difference in fuel usage.. When fuel priced dropped to two
dollars, sales went into the dumper for all them but not as great for the
Pruis, but even it sales dropped 50%

In my opinion GMs hybrids, using motors built into the tranny, is a far
better way of utilizing the eclectic traction, in a less complicated way,
then with a separate electric motor.

Ford in spot on, in the not too distant future hybrids will go away, pure
electrics like the Volt will be the norm but gas and diesel engines will
not
go away for certain types of vehicles


What do you mean by the Volt being "pure electric"? GM calls it an
extended range electric. It has an on board generator so if you drive
so far that the batteries are exhausted you can keep going because teh
generator will fire up. I do think the Volt is the car of the future
for many people, esp those who only have one vehicle.



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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-13-2009 , 01:21 AM



Ok, I understand that way of looking at it. I was looking at it like
a locomotive. A pure electric loco pulls it's electric off the grid.
A diesel-electric is like the volt, it has traction motors and a
generator that is spun by a diesel engine. But no one would ever call
a diesel-electric loco a "pure electric".


On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:19:14 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Quote:
The only thing motivating the vehicle is an electric motor. The gas engine,
as you point out runs a generator, it does not motivate the vehicle


"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:nqmer4pm5cn0sge0795pocv3ofnleu94es (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:29:45 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Toyota, Ford, via Volvo,and a Japanese electric company developed the
technology used in the first hybrids and they were all cross licensed to
us
it. Toyota was smart when it offered its hybrid as a separate vehicle,
rather then offering the drive system in a current model.

Prospective Toyotas hybrid buyers did not make the connect to Toyotas
other
vehicle of the same size, the Corolla. By doing so Toyota had the
opportunity to get buyers to pay the extra premium to buy a hybrid. A
premium that would buy ALL of the fuel for the conventional powered twins
for three of four years, before one saved a dime on the difference in fuel
usage.

Honda and Ford offered their hybrid drive in current vehicles, the Civic
Accord and the Escape. Adding that premium to a conversional model, made
it harder for Honda and Ford to sell their hybrids because it was obvious
to
the astute buyer that the premium that would buy ALL of the fuel for the
conventional powered twins for three of four years, before they would save
a
dime on the difference in fuel usage.. When fuel priced dropped to two
dollars, sales went into the dumper for all them but not as great for the
Pruis, but even it sales dropped 50%

In my opinion GMs hybrids, using motors built into the tranny, is a far
better way of utilizing the eclectic traction, in a less complicated way,
then with a separate electric motor.

Ford in spot on, in the not too distant future hybrids will go away, pure
electrics like the Volt will be the norm but gas and diesel engines will
not
go away for certain types of vehicles


What do you mean by the Volt being "pure electric"? GM calls it an
extended range electric. It has an on board generator so if you drive
so far that the batteries are exhausted you can keep going because teh
generator will fire up. I do think the Volt is the car of the future
for many people, esp those who only have one vehicle.


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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-13-2009 , 01:27 PM



That is because you have the mistaken impression that the motor can produce
enough power to run the electric motor. That is not the case, it can only
recharge the batteries over time. If one plugs into a power outlet to
recharge the batteries the gas engine will never have to start up to
recharge the batteries. The Volt is therefore a true electric vehicle

"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Ok, I understand that way of looking at it. I was looking at it like
a locomotive. A pure electric loco pulls it's electric off the grid.
A diesel-electric is like the volt, it has traction motors and a
generator that is spun by a diesel engine. But no one would ever call
a diesel-electric loco a "pure electric".


On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:19:14 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

The only thing motivating the vehicle is an electric motor. The gas
engine,
as you point out runs a generator, it does not motivate the vehicle




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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-14-2009 , 10:25 AM



Hmm, that's not how I read the description of the Volt. It supposedly
runs for 40 miles on just the batteries. Then the motor/generator
kicks in if you go farther then that to power the car. The
description I read specifically said that the purpose of the mot/gen
was not to recharge the batteries. the only difference I see between
the Volt and a DE Loco is that the loco has no batteries to run off of
for the first 40 miles, other then that they appear to be essentially
the same.


On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:27:47 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Quote:
That is because you have the mistaken impression that the motor can produce
enough power to run the electric motor. That is not the case, it can only
recharge the batteries over time. If one plugs into a power outlet to
recharge the batteries the gas engine will never have to start up to
recharge the batteries. The Volt is therefore a true electric vehicle

"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:lmujr4poqmmt7vev6ag27bq8unec86hvmg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
Ok, I understand that way of looking at it. I was looking at it like
a locomotive. A pure electric loco pulls it's electric off the grid.
A diesel-electric is like the volt, it has traction motors and a
generator that is spun by a diesel engine. But no one would ever call
a diesel-electric loco a "pure electric".


On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:19:14 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

The only thing motivating the vehicle is an electric motor. The gas
engine,
as you point out runs a generator, it does not motivate the vehicle



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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-15-2009 , 08:42 AM



You are entitle to believe what ever you wish no matter how convoluted your
reasoning.


"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hmm, that's not how I read the description of the Volt. It supposedly
runs for 40 miles on just the batteries. Then the motor/generator
kicks in if you go farther then that to power the car. The
description I read specifically said that the purpose of the mot/gen
was not to recharge the batteries. the only difference I see between
the Volt and a DE Loco is that the loco has no batteries to run off of
for the first 40 miles, other then that they appear to be essentially
the same.


On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:27:47 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

That is because you have the mistaken impression that the motor can
produce
enough power to run the electric motor. That is not the case, it can only
recharge the batteries over time. If one plugs into a power outlet to
recharge the batteries the gas engine will never have to start up to
recharge the batteries. The Volt is therefore a true electric vehicle

"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:lmujr4poqmmt7vev6ag27bq8unec86hvmg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
Ok, I understand that way of looking at it. I was looking at it like
a locomotive. A pure electric loco pulls it's electric off the grid.
A diesel-electric is like the volt, it has traction motors and a
generator that is spun by a diesel engine. But no one would ever call
a diesel-electric loco a "pure electric".


On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:19:14 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

The only thing motivating the vehicle is an electric motor. The gas
engine,
as you point out runs a generator, it does not motivate the vehicle





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Default Re: Mulally says electric vehicles to dominate Ford's future lineup - 03-15-2009 , 11:17 AM



Mike Hunter wrote:
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reasoning.

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