Obama at the auto buffet

#11

"Bill Putney" <bptn (AT) kinez (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

News wrote:

Bill Putney wrote:

Think about who owns much of the mainstream media outlets that pimp for
Obama...

Pimp? Pimp you say?

You must mean Faux Snooze, Premiere Radio/Clear Channel, et al.

Murdoch, Bain, et al

No GE doesn't own them,a nd they don't pimp for Obama. Read what I wrote.
It is clear that GE is getting *very* special treatment from Obama in all
the financial dealings and future "plans".

Yep, Immelt be Harvard. Like Bush, Wagoner, Obama and others. THe Harvard
connection, bilking taxpayers is their new motto.

#12

"agm" <remailer (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote

Quote:

Wall Street Journal

..So far, the Obama administration has yet to lay out its
magical thinking on how the homegrown auto makers are to
become "viable" when required to subordinate every auto
attribute that consumers find desirable in favor of
achieving a passenger-car average of 39 miles per gallon by
2016. Nonetheless the answer has quietly seeped out:
Taxpayers will write $5,000 or $7,000 rebate checks to
other taxpayers to bribe them to buy hybrids and plug-ins
at a price that lets Detroit claim it's earning a "profit"
on its Obamamobiles.

Continued:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277581459836917.html

The Obama fantasy. Government Motors. Oba-mama-mobile. Comes in any color
so long as you pay lots of taxes to service the debt.

I suspect the economy is in for another down turn....

#13

On May 20, 6:29*pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

Quote:

"agm" <remai... (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message

Lemme get this straight now, including the carbon tax bill as well. *We're
gonna bribe consumers to buy plug-in autos. *They consume electricity from a
coal powered plant to re-charge these plug-in autos.

No, no, no, no,no NO!
Didn't you hear his campaign speeches? He is going to BANKRUPT coal
powered plants. Of course he didn't think about and nobody told him
that the power needed for the government buildings in D.C. are from
coal plants. Nevermind.
What you should have said is that you get your electricity from a
solar cell or a wind turbine. What happens when it's 100 degrees in
the summer when there's no wind, on a cloudy day?
Well, you buy it from China, of course! From THEIR gross polluting
coal generators.
Okay, carry on.
P.S. I noticed this is cross-posted to the rec.autos.makers chrysler
newsgroup. When you gonna change your newsgroup name to
rec.autos.makers.obama.Fiat?

#14

"Canuck57" <dave (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"agm" <remailer (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message
news:7WWDZY2139953.9763888889 (AT) reece (DOT) net.au...
Wall Street Journal

..So far, the Obama administration has yet to lay out its
magical thinking on how the homegrown auto makers are to
become "viable" when required to subordinate every auto
attribute that consumers find desirable in favor of
achieving a passenger-car average of 39 miles per gallon by
2016. Nonetheless the answer has quietly seeped out:
Taxpayers will write $5,000 or $7,000 rebate checks to
other taxpayers to bribe them to buy hybrids and plug-ins
at a price that lets Detroit claim it's earning a "profit"
on its Obamamobiles.

Continued:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277581459836917.html

Obama will have to subsidize Obamobiles. And you can have any color you
want so long as it is black.

I almost started to like Obama. Problem now is he has turned into a
facist. Yes, facist. If you are not filthy rich or a whinner UAW he
doesn't gve a rats ass about you. He will just charge every middle class
taxpayer via the tax system. Enslaving americans to banks, governemtn and
corrupt auto.

Looks like financial liberty in the USA is taking a nose dive.

Some are redefining their opinions about their "fascism" to be actually of
the old Progressive Party philosophy. That is even more horrific. Research
"New World Order" in reference to the Progressive Party.

I don't trust any of them, Dems or GOPers. The Tea Partiers are getting
sucked in by Republicans. We need a new party with real people, not
professional politicians. Glenn Beck turned me off today while interviewing
a former CIA official that said both Woebama and Chaney have no interest in
the country's welfare regarding their rendetions of a certain holding
facility in Cuba. He basically told him goodbye after that comment. I was
interested in this guy's opiniion and why. I don't have an agenda, but,
apparently Glenn does. One that he's not being up front about. I no longer
have a warm fuzzy about Glenn...
Dave

#15

"Canuck57" <dave (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
news:OtOdnXhGPrfQGYnXnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d (AT) earthlink (DOT) com...
"agm" <remailer (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message
news:7WWDZY2139953.9763888889 (AT) reece (DOT) net.au...
Wall Street Journal

..So far, the Obama administration has yet to lay out its
magical thinking on how the homegrown auto makers are to
become "viable" when required to subordinate every auto
attribute that consumers find desirable in favor of
achieving a passenger-car average of 39 miles per gallon by
2016. Nonetheless the answer has quietly seeped out:
Taxpayers will write $5,000 or $7,000 rebate checks to
other taxpayers to bribe them to buy hybrids and plug-ins
at a price that lets Detroit claim it's earning a "profit"
on its Obamamobiles.

Continued:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277581459836917.html

Lemme get this straight now, including the carbon tax bill as well.
We're gonna bribe consumers to buy plug-in autos. They consume
electricity from a coal powered plant to re-charge these plug-in autos.
The electric company bills that consumer additionally for the carbon
released by the electrical generating plant. The electric company sends
that to the U.S. Treasury for Congress to squander for earmarks so they
can get re-elected. If wind-generated electricity, most likely, GE will
benefit and send more lobby money directly to support the same
re-election. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Where's Nancy today? She wasn't at the signing of the 2 bills signed
today by Woebama.

Hope Ford sticks to building cars only instead of getting involved with
all this political crap.

If they do, and tackle the UAW/CAW issues, they just might make it. But
if GM is bailed out, I figure Ford will fail and here is why.

By subsidising one, all the others will find it tougher. Companies unable
to compete with Government Motors will in turn lay off the workers GM
would have other wise laid off.

See, the fucking idiots can't understand the volume of cars needed in the
market place is a whole lot less. Not one damn thing they are doing is
going to creat a market. In fact it will in the long term make it worse.
All the corruption is going on the credit card, will eventually be
reflected back to taxpayers in higher taxes. When it does, people will
have yet another hit on disposable income to buy autos with.

But if GM & Chrysler go down the toilet, the market will normalize as the
customer base redistributes itself to the remaining north american
builders (Honda, Toyota, Ford, Nissan, BMW, Zenn and others). In fact
these comapnies might hire people, sell more cars at a reasonable price
without the taxpayer blood sucking.

Sounds plausible, and like we have no choice. That is not the case though.
The consumer (us) does not have to purchase automobiles from companies
financed with TARP monies, and politically modified bankruptcies. The
scenario you presented is predicated by GM gaining the vast majority of the
consumers before the other car company makers fail. That just may not
happen as many people want the "good" guys to win, as Americans are living
that way now.
Dave

#16

"Kruse" <kruse (AT) kansas (DOT) net> wrote

On May 20, 6:29 pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

Quote:

"agm" <remai... (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message

Lemme get this straight now, including the carbon tax bill as well. We're
gonna bribe consumers to buy plug-in autos. They consume electricity from
a
coal powered plant to re-charge these plug-in autos.

No, no, no, no,no NO!
Didn't you hear his campaign speeches? He is going to BANKRUPT coal
powered plants. Of course he didn't think about and nobody told him
that the power needed for the government buildings in D.C. are from
coal plants. Nevermind.
What you should have said is that you get your electricity from a
solar cell or a wind turbine. What happens when it's 100 degrees in
the summer when there's no wind, on a cloudy day?
Well, you buy it from China, of course! From THEIR gross polluting
coal generators.
Okay, carry on.
P.S. I noticed this is cross-posted to the rec.autos.makers chrysler
newsgroup. When you gonna change your newsgroup name to
rec.autos.makers.obama.Fiat?

-----------

Its cross-posted to the chrysler newsgroup, but went no place but the ford
group. My news server (non-http, genuine news server) doesn't carry the
chrysler group. See "usenet" for clarification about a news server vs.
http. Yes, I understand the humor your were attempting to project.
Dave

#17

"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote

Quote:

"Canuck57" <dave (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:gY0Rl.68569$uD3.5111 (AT) newsfe20 (DOT) iad...

"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
news:OtOdnXhGPrfQGYnXnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d (AT) earthlink (DOT) com...
"agm" <remailer (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message
news:7WWDZY2139953.9763888889 (AT) reece (DOT) net.au...
Wall Street Journal

..So far, the Obama administration has yet to lay out its
magical thinking on how the homegrown auto makers are to
become "viable" when required to subordinate every auto
attribute that consumers find desirable in favor of
achieving a passenger-car average of 39 miles per gallon by
2016. Nonetheless the answer has quietly seeped out:
Taxpayers will write $5,000 or $7,000 rebate checks to
other taxpayers to bribe them to buy hybrids and plug-ins
at a price that lets Detroit claim it's earning a "profit"
on its Obamamobiles.

Continued:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277581459836917.html

Lemme get this straight now, including the carbon tax bill as well.
We're gonna bribe consumers to buy plug-in autos. They consume
electricity from a coal powered plant to re-charge these plug-in autos.
The electric company bills that consumer additionally for the carbon
released by the electrical generating plant. The electric company sends
that to the U.S. Treasury for Congress to squander for earmarks so they
can get re-elected. If wind-generated electricity, most likely, GE will
benefit and send more lobby money directly to support the same
re-election. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Where's Nancy today? She wasn't at the signing of the 2 bills signed
today by Woebama.

Hope Ford sticks to building cars only instead of getting involved with
all this political crap.

If they do, and tackle the UAW/CAW issues, they just might make it. But
if GM is bailed out, I figure Ford will fail and here is why.

By subsidising one, all the others will find it tougher. Companies
unable to compete with Government Motors will in turn lay off the workers
GM would have other wise laid off.

See, the fucking idiots can't understand the volume of cars needed in the
market place is a whole lot less. Not one damn thing they are doing is
going to creat a market. In fact it will in the long term make it worse.
All the corruption is going on the credit card, will eventually be
reflected back to taxpayers in higher taxes. When it does, people will
have yet another hit on disposable income to buy autos with.

But if GM & Chrysler go down the toilet, the market will normalize as the
customer base redistributes itself to the remaining north american
builders (Honda, Toyota, Ford, Nissan, BMW, Zenn and others). In fact
these comapnies might hire people, sell more cars at a reasonable price
without the taxpayer blood sucking.

Sounds plausible, and like we have no choice. That is not the case
though. The consumer (us) does not have to purchase automobiles from
companies financed with TARP monies, and politically modified
bankruptcies. The scenario you presented is predicated by GM gaining the
vast majority of the consumers before the other car company makers fail.
That just may not happen as many people want the "good" guys to win, as
Americans are living that way now.
Dave

How would you like to be in a successful business, along comes the
government subsidizing your competition which saturates the market with
excess product causing price errosion? Then you lay people off....but does
not hit the news because you you don't have enough of the right rich people
as creditors.

The auto jobs are lost, just the big shots with taxpayer financed massive
debt are playing the musical chairs game trying to stick the taxpayer... and
the taxpayer shouldn't even be playing.

Lets see how Obama justifies this. Massive unparalleled corruption if GM is
bailed while blood sucking present and future taxpayers.

#18

Dioclese wrote:

Quote:

"Kruse" <kruse (AT) kansas (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:e325a387-ed38-4e03-b931-2a285ce90f5e (AT) u8g2000yqn (DOT) googlegroups.com...
On May 20, 6:29 pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:
"agm" <remai... (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message

Lemme get this straight now, including the carbon tax bill as well. We're
gonna bribe consumers to buy plug-in autos. They consume electricity from
a
coal powered plant to re-charge these plug-in autos.

No, no, no, no,no NO!
Didn't you hear his campaign speeches? He is going to BANKRUPT coal
powered plants. Of course he didn't think about and nobody told him
that the power needed for the government buildings in D.C. are from
coal plants. Nevermind...

I just heard a story on the radio that Obama agreed to help the United
Arab Emirates with their nuclear power.

Think about this: We are helping *them* become oil independent with
technology that our idiots won't let us use, so that in the future we
are going to be forced to buy their oil when we haven't been allowed to
add nuclear plants or drill our own oil.

After a little Googling - yep - here it is:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1242212428027&pagename=JPost%2FJPArt icle%2FPrinter

"President Barack Obama agreed Wednesday to share US nuclear power
technology with the oil-rich United Arab Emirates, giving his consent to
a deal signed in the final days of George W. Bush's administration.

"The pact now goes to Congress, which will have 90 days to amend or
reject it.

"The agreement creates a legal framework for the US to transfer
sensitive nuclear items to the United Arab Emirates, a federation of
seven Middle Eastern states that wants nuclear power to satisfy growing
demand for electricity.

"Although flush with oil, the emirates imports 60 percent of the natural
gas they use to generate electricity. The United Arab Emerates wants to
break its dependence on outside sources for its energy needs and settled
on nuclear power as the best option."

From this article
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1151ap_us_obama_uae_nuclear.html:
"The United Arab Emirates no longer wants to depend on outside sources
for its energy needs and settled on nuclear power as the most economical
and environmentally friendly option."

How about letting us add more nuclear power and drill our own oil!

--
Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

#19

no, you got it wrong too.
he is going to bankrupt the U.S.A.
"Kruse" <kruse (AT) kansas (DOT) net> wrote

On May 20, 6:29 pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

Quote:

"agm" <remai... (AT) reece (DOT) net.au> wrote in message

No, no, no, no,no NO!
Didn't you hear his campaign speeches? He is going to BANKRUPT coal
powered plants. ?