Re: Which car is built in America?

#11

clare (AT) snyder (DOT) on.ca wrote:

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC), dold (AT) 72 (DOT) usenet.us.com wrote:

clare (AT) snyder (DOT) on.ca wrote:
Toyota USA is a US Corporation registered in California and pays
federal and state taxes on it's profits.
But the price that Toyota USA pays to Toyota Japan for required Japaneses
sourced parts might be outrageous, ensuring that there will be no US-based
profit.
Well I know for a fact in the case of the Canadian built Corolla and
Matrix the vast majority of the car is manufactured - not just
assembled, within 200 km of Cambridge Ontario.

Same goes gor the Hondas built at Allison Ontario.
For a while even the engine blocks for the corolla were locally cast -
not sure if they still are or not. They were also locally assembled.

As for design, much of the design work for Toyota vehicles is done in
California.

Correct.

On a related note, with the downturn in the global economy, where cars
and parts are made by the Japanese automakers has been changing a lot
over the last year. The NUMMI plant will be closed. And some cars that
were previously made in the US are being made in Japan. So the old
percentage of domestic content may change (both up and down).

Jeff

#12

In article <YaidnT1vzJqqlkjXnZ2dnUVZ_ohi4p2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com>,
dr_jeff <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote:

Quote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
American and European manufactures pay corporate income taxes, on the
vehicles they sell in Europe and the US, to the governments of Europe and
the US.

Because of the Japanese Capital Reinvestment law all Japanese corporations,
not only vehicle manufactures, pay corporate income taxes in Japan on the
products and vehicles they sell in the US, whether they are made in Japan
or
the US.

Really? I looked it up in google. I found no such law.

That's because it doesn't exist

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#13

Get real, dummy. I told you were to look for the facts, YOU are saying
that the source I quoted was not factual. Therefore it is up to you to
prove otherwise. Is it any wonder that we consider you a blowhard?

<clare (AT) snyder (DOT) on.ca> wrote

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:08:45 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:

Do you record every site you ever visited? I do not and I do not do home
work for my own grand children, what makes you think I will do it for you?

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote in message
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Mike Hunter wrote:
Ya right. Search the US Department of Commerce sit for the facts, WBMA

What Commerce Department Website? Commerce Depart. has 100s of websites.
If you are correct, it should be simple for you to cut and paste the URL
of the site so that you can back your claim, WMBA.

Jeff

You are making the allegations - it is up to you to prove them -
otherwise anyone is free to consider you a blowhard - whether you are
right or not.

#14

That may be you personal opinion but you are wrong, again. I do not know
Canadian Corporate income tax law so I can not speak to that but I certainly
know US corporate tax law. I am the former owner of a Delaware corporation
subject to US federal Corporate taxes. The Japanese companies in the US, by
what ever name, are only holding companies for the Japanese Corporation and
not subject to US corporate taxes, only STATE taxes. Search the US
Department of Treasury site for the facts, WBMA.

<clare (AT) snyder (DOT) on.ca> wrote

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:35 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:

American and European manufactures pay corporate income taxes, on the
vehicles they sell in Europe and the US, to the governments of Europe and
the US.

Because of the Japanese Capital Reinvestment law all Japanese
corporations,
not only vehicle manufactures, pay corporate income taxes in Japan on the
products and vehicles they sell in the US, whether they are made in Japan
or
the US.

Unlike the tax advantage Japanese corporations have in the US, they must
pay
corporate taxes in Europe, on the vehicles they sell in Europe, just as do
the US and European corporations.

Japanese corporations operating in the US do pay state and local income
taxes, just as do American and European corporations, however.

Toyota USA is a US Corporation registered in California and pays
federal and state taxes on it's profits.

Toyota Canada is two companies, Toyota Canada inc (sales) and Toyota
Motor Manufacturing Corp. (TMMC) (Manufacturing)

They both pay Canadian and Ontario taxes - as do all their employees.

#15

Ya' right! Search the US Department of the Treasury and the US Department
of Commerce sites for the facts, WBMA

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote

Quote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
American and European manufactures pay corporate income taxes, on the
vehicles they sell in Europe and the US, to the governments of Europe and
the US.

Because of the Japanese Capital Reinvestment law all Japanese
corporations, not only vehicle manufactures, pay corporate income taxes
in Japan on the products and vehicles they sell in the US, whether they
are made in Japan or the US.

Unlike the tax advantage Japanese corporations have in the US, they must
pay corporate taxes in Europe, on the vehicles they sell in Europe, just
as do the US and European corporations.

Japanese corporations operating in the US do pay state and local income
taxes, just as do American and European corporations, however.

Really? I looked it up in google. I found no such law.

Besides, the companies that sell Japanese brand cars in the US are not
Japanese companies. They are US companies. They happen to be owned by
Japanese companies, but, they pay US corporate and state and local income
tax.

#16

You keep saying that over and over so that must be your opinion but I found
the information I posted exactly were I told you to search for the
information. If you can't find anything that proves what I posted is not
correct, that is YOUR problem.

The fact is the reason you can not is because what you chose to believe in
wrong. The fact is Japanese corporations have never paid a penny in US
federal corporate income taxes in the US because of tax credits paid in
Japan on their corporate income, period.

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote

Quote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
Do you record every site you ever visited? I do not and I do not do
home work for my own grand children, what makes you think I will do it
for you?

You don't do your own homework. What you're saying is that you can't back
your claims. Which means you don't know what you're talking about.

Jeff

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote in message
news:0-qdnQCRt9tDFE7XnZ2dnUVZ_o1i4p2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
Mike Hunter wrote:
Ya right. Search the US Department of Commerce sit for the facts, WBMA
What Commerce Department Website? Commerce Depart. has 100s of websites.
If you are correct, it should be simple for you to cut and paste the URL
of the site so that you can back your claim, WMBA.

Jeff

#17

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

Get real, dummy. I told you were to look for the facts, YOU are saying
that the source I quoted was not factual.

It was not found, because it is not there. Please provide the URL of the
actual site or better yet, shut up.

Quote:

Therefore it is up to you to
prove otherwise. Is it any wonder that we consider you a blowhard?

You're making the claims. It is up to you to prove them.

I don't who considers this poster a blowhard (nice personal attack,
btw), but he is not the person in this thread I would consider a blowhard.

Jeff

Quote:

clare (AT) snyder (DOT) on.ca> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:08:45 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:

Do you record every site you ever visited? I do not and I do not do home
work for my own grand children, what makes you think I will do it for you?

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote in message
news:0-qdnQCRt9tDFE7XnZ2dnUVZ_o1i4p2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
Mike Hunter wrote:
Ya right. Search the US Department of Commerce sit for the facts, WBMA
What Commerce Department Website? Commerce Depart. has 100s of websites.
If you are correct, it should be simple for you to cut and paste the URL
of the site so that you can back your claim, WMBA.

Jeff
You are making the allegations - it is up to you to prove them -
otherwise anyone is free to consider you a blowhard - whether you are
right or not.

#18

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

You keep saying that over and over so that must be your opinion but I found
the information I posted exactly were I told you to search for the
information. If you can't find anything that proves what I posted is not
correct, that is YOUR problem.

No, it's your problem. You can't back your claim. If it is so easy to
find the information, just post the URL.

Stop acting like you're a apoilled brat..

Quote:

The fact is the reason you can not is because what you chose to believe in
wrong.

The fact is that the informatoin is not there. If I am wrong, just post
the URL.

Quote:

The fact is Japanese corporations have never paid a penny in US
federal corporate income taxes in the US because of tax credits paid in
Japan on their corporate income, period.

They're not Japanese corporations. They're US corporations that happen
to be owned by Japanese companies. That's a big difference.

Bottom line, you're not worth my time.

I won't reply to your stupidity on this thread again, unless you can
back your claim. You don't know what you're talking about.

Jeff

Quote:

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote in message
news:YaidnTxvzJrklkjXnZ2dnUVZ_ohi4p2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
Mike Hunter wrote:
Do you record every site you ever visited? I do not and I do not do
home work for my own grand children, what makes you think I will do it
for you?

You don't do your own homework. What you're saying is that you can't back
your claims. Which means you don't know what you're talking about.

Jeff

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote in message
news:0-qdnQCRt9tDFE7XnZ2dnUVZ_o1i4p2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
Mike Hunter wrote:
Ya right. Search the US Department of Commerce sit for the facts, WBMA
What Commerce Department Website? Commerce Depart. has 100s of websites.
If you are correct, it should be simple for you to cut and paste the URL
of the site so that you can back your claim, WMBA.

Jeff

#19

Like I said YOU are making the claim that what I posted was not factual,
therefore it is up to YOU to prove YOUR claim. LOL

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote

Quote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
Get real, dummy. I told you were to look for the facts, YOU are saying
that the source I quoted was not factual.

It was not found, because it is not there. Please provide the URL of the
actual site or better yet, shut up.

Therefore it is up to you to prove otherwise. Is it any wonder that we
consider you a blowhard?

You're making the claims. It is up to you to prove them.

Jeff

#20

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

Like I said YOU are making the claim that what I posted was not factual,
therefore it is up to YOU to prove YOUR claim. LOL

So anything that you post is automatically correct until proven otherwise.

Whatever.

You're not worth my time.

Quote:

"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote in message
news:1oKdnWw7GtUT8EvXnZ2dnUVZ_jli4p2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
Mike Hunter wrote:
Get real, dummy. I told you were to look for the facts, YOU are saying
that the source I quoted was not factual.
It was not found, because it is not there. Please provide the URL of the
actual site or better yet, shut up.

Therefore it is up to you to prove otherwise. Is it any wonder that we
consider you a blowhard?
You're making the claims. It is up to you to prove them.

Jeff