Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord - in the Ford Challenge

#1

Obviously our friend Wade is a Honda owner and blowing smoke. He has no
idea what he is talking about when it comes to the longevity of today's
vehicles. Most corporations give their vehicles, like most of the other
"tools" used in their business, the best of maintenance. Down time costs big
money. Because of federal depreciation tax laws, corporations generally keep
their vehicles in service for five year or 300K WOF.

I might add from my years in the fleet service business I can tell you, with
the exception of the 'courier' companies that buy a lot of Korean cars, few
corporations by foreign cars because they are less cost effective over the
time they must be kept in service.

mike

"trainfan1" <lmsearing (AT) usdatanet (DOT) net> wrote

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Let's see if I can remember them all
Jeep Cherokee - The worst.
This thing was in the shop ever few months.
brake, transmission and axel problems. She went over some train tracks
once, not hard mind you and the steering wheel became off center. The
steering wheel always look like she was turning left even when she was
driving straight. This happened twice.

Ford Escape - great for the first 35K, then got noisy and the
transmission
started slipping.

Dodge Grand Caravan - was okay

Ford Windstar knobs and parts started falling off within the first few
thousand miles. We only had this car for about 20K, she then changed
jobs.

Pontiac Grand Prix was okay, then developed a a clicking in the steering
wheel. The steering wasn't smooth, you could feel while turning.

Chevrolet Equinox- only had this one for 8K, job change again. Was
fairly
nice vehicle. Ride was way too soft though, felt like we were floating.

Likewise, you're going to find people who have had excellent service from
these vehicles and others who didn't. Likewise for the Toyotas and
Hondas.

Jeff

Also, company cars get the snot beat out of them. They never last. My
last company car, a Taurus, had to be traded in at 220,000 mi. ("it might
start getting unreliable" they said).

My current company car, another Taurus, is at 189,00 mi. now, & they'll
probably make me turn in that one too at ~220,000 mi. next year.

Bastards. They should buy some quality vehicles that last next time.

Rob

#2

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Obviously our friend Wade is a Honda owner and blowing smoke. He has no
idea what he is talking about when it comes to the longevity of today's
vehicles. Most corporations give their vehicles, like most of the other
"tools" used in their business, the best of maintenance. Down time costs
big money. Because of federal depreciation tax laws, corporations
generally keep their vehicles in service for five year or 300K WOF.

I might add from my years in the fleet service business I can tell you,
with the exception of the 'courier' companies that buy a lot of Korean
cars, few corporations by foreign cars because they are less cost
effective over the time they must be kept in service.

mike

And partly this is because Honda won't sell any cars to fleets and Toyota
caps its fleet sales at 9%. This makes them more expensive for fleets to
purchase and own.

Quote:

"trainfan1" <lmsearing (AT) usdatanet (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message
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Let's see if I can remember them all
Jeep Cherokee - The worst.
This thing was in the shop ever few months.
brake, transmission and axel problems. She went over some train
tracks
once, not hard mind you and the steering wheel became off center. The
steering wheel always look like she was turning left even when she was
driving straight. This happened twice.

Ford Escape - great for the first 35K, then got noisy and the
transmission
started slipping.

Dodge Grand Caravan - was okay

Ford Windstar knobs and parts started falling off within the first few
thousand miles. We only had this car for about 20K, she then changed
jobs.

Pontiac Grand Prix was okay, then developed a a clicking in the
steering
wheel. The steering wasn't smooth, you could feel while turning.

Chevrolet Equinox- only had this one for 8K, job change again. Was
fairly
nice vehicle. Ride was way too soft though, felt like we were floating.

Likewise, you're going to find people who have had excellent service
from these vehicles and others who didn't. Likewise for the Toyotas and
Hondas.

Jeff

Also, company cars get the snot beat out of them. They never last. My
last company car, a Taurus, had to be traded in at 220,000 mi. ("it might
start getting unreliable" they said).

My current company car, another Taurus, is at 189,00 mi. now, & they'll
probably make me turn in that one too at ~220,000 mi. next year.

Bastards. They should buy some quality vehicles that last next time.

Rob

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#3

Hog wash, you are confused. The 'courier' fleets avoid the midget cars but
they buy Focus, Civics, Corollas, Neons, VWs, Cavaliers as well as Korean
cars. Account executives
from every import manufacturer are all over our corporate fleet buyers,
looking to sell vehicles to them. As to the fleet discount, it is pretty
much the same amount for all manufactures domestic and import, around $800
on average, for fleets as low as five vehicles.

The reason fleet buyer prefer domestics is the overall lower overall cost of
ownership over five years. Fleets look at the cost of the all the 'tools'
used in their business. Vehicles are just one more tool to them. Import
part prices and their availability are one of the major problems. Waiting
for parts equals longer down time. Initial purchase prices, that average
20% higher, for similar size an similarly equipped vehicles, and the fact
imports do not generally build vehicles specifically equipped for fleets.

Fleets maintain meticulous records that prove, on average, imports are no
better or worse than domestics in the cost of repairs required, as many in
import NGs would have one believe. Look around and see what brand
dominates the corporate fleet market. Ford has the largest percentage of
fleet buyers because Ford vehicles are the most cost effect in terms of
acquiring, insuring, maintaining, repairing, and replacing the vehicles,
period

mike

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"dh" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Obviously our friend Wade is a Honda owner and blowing smoke. He has no
idea what he is talking about when it comes to the longevity of today's
vehicles. Most corporations give their vehicles, like most of the other
"tools" used in their business, the best of maintenance. Down time costs
big money. Because of federal depreciation tax laws, corporations
generally keep their vehicles in service for five year or 300K WOF.

I might add from my years in the fleet service business I can tell you,
with the exception of the 'courier' companies that buy a lot of Korean
cars, few corporations by foreign cars because they are less cost
effective over the time they must be kept in service.

mike

And partly this is because Honda won't sell any cars to fleets and Toyota
caps its fleet sales at 9%. This makes them more expensive for fleets to
purchase and own.

#4

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Hog wash, you are confused. The 'courier' fleets avoid the midget cars
but they buy Focus, Civics, Corollas, Neons, VWs, Cavaliers as well as
Korean cars. Account executives
from every import manufacturer are all over our corporate fleet buyers,
looking to sell vehicles to them. As to the fleet discount, it is pretty
much the same amount for all manufactures domestic and import, around $800
on average, for fleets as low as five vehicles.

The reason fleet buyer prefer domestics is the overall lower overall cost
of ownership over five years. Fleets look at the cost of the all the
'tools' used in their business. Vehicles are just one more tool to them.
Import part prices and their availability are one of the major problems.
Waiting for parts equals longer down time. Initial purchase prices, that
average 20% higher, for similar size an similarly equipped vehicles, and
the fact imports do not generally build vehicles specifically equipped for
fleets.

Fleets maintain meticulous records that prove, on average, imports are no
better or worse than domestics in the cost of repairs required, as many in
import NGs would have one believe. Look around and see what brand
dominates the corporate fleet market. Ford has the largest percentage of
fleet buyers because Ford vehicles are the most cost effect in terms of
acquiring, insuring, maintaining, repairing, and replacing the vehicles,
period

mike

A) How long have you been retired? You're really out of touch. Import part
prices and availability aren't a problem since I-don't-know-when.
B) Which of these "fleets" publish these records?
C) Honda and Toyota aren't taking a $800 hit if they don't need to. With
45-day inventories, they don't need to.

Here, amuse yourself:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=3598

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2995

Quote:

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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Obviously our friend Wade is a Honda owner and blowing smoke. He has no
idea what he is talking about when it comes to the longevity of today's
vehicles. Most corporations give their vehicles, like most of the other
"tools" used in their business, the best of maintenance. Down time costs
big money. Because of federal depreciation tax laws, corporations
generally keep their vehicles in service for five year or 300K WOF.

I might add from my years in the fleet service business I can tell you,
with the exception of the 'courier' companies that buy a lot of Korean
cars, few corporations by foreign cars because they are less cost
effective over the time they must be kept in service.

mike

And partly this is because Honda won't sell any cars to fleets and Toyota
caps its fleet sales at 9%. This makes them more expensive for fleets to
purchase and own.

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#5

Import brands are offering much higher rebates, than $800 on retail sales,
but you are free to believe whatever you choose. The current fleet discount
on the Ridgeline, so called "truck," is $1,500

mike

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ebSdndH5IP5ry6LbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
Hog wash, you are confused. The 'courier' fleets avoid the midget cars
but they buy Focus, Civics, Corollas, Neons, VWs, Cavaliers as well as
Korean cars. Account executives
from every import manufacturer are all over our corporate fleet buyers,
looking to sell vehicles to them. As to the fleet discount, it is pretty
much the same amount for all manufactures domestic and import, around
$800 on average, for fleets as low as five vehicles.

The reason fleet buyer prefer domestics is the overall lower overall cost
of ownership over five years. Fleets look at the cost of the all the
'tools' used in their business. Vehicles are just one more tool to them.
Import part prices and their availability are one of the major problems.
Waiting for parts equals longer down time. Initial purchase prices, that
average 20% higher, for similar size an similarly equipped vehicles, and
the fact imports do not generally build vehicles specifically equipped
for fleets.

Fleets maintain meticulous records that prove, on average, imports are no
better or worse than domestics in the cost of repairs required, as many
in import NGs would have one believe. Look around and see what brand
dominates the corporate fleet market. Ford has the largest percentage of
fleet buyers because Ford vehicles are the most cost effect in terms of
acquiring, insuring, maintaining, repairing, and replacing the vehicles,
period

mike

A) How long have you been retired? You're really out of touch. Import
part prices and availability aren't a problem since I-don't-know-when.
B) Which of these "fleets" publish these records?
C) Honda and Toyota aren't taking a $800 hit if they don't need to. With
45-day inventories, they don't need to.

#6

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Import brands are offering much higher rebates, than $800 on retail sales,
but you are free to believe whatever you choose. The current fleet
discount on the Ridgeline, so called "truck," is $1,500

mike

I notice you ducked the questions.

Quote:

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ebSdndH5IP5ry6LbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
Hog wash, you are confused. The 'courier' fleets avoid the midget cars
but they buy Focus, Civics, Corollas, Neons, VWs, Cavaliers as well as
Korean cars. Account executives
from every import manufacturer are all over our corporate fleet buyers,
looking to sell vehicles to them. As to the fleet discount, it is
pretty much the same amount for all manufactures domestic and import,
around $800 on average, for fleets as low as five vehicles.

The reason fleet buyer prefer domestics is the overall lower overall
cost of ownership over five years. Fleets look at the cost of the all
the 'tools' used in their business. Vehicles are just one more tool to
them. Import part prices and their availability are one of the major
problems. Waiting for parts equals longer down time. Initial purchase
prices, that average 20% higher, for similar size an similarly equipped
vehicles, and the fact imports do not generally build vehicles
specifically equipped for fleets.

Fleets maintain meticulous records that prove, on average, imports are
no better or worse than domestics in the cost of repairs required, as
many in import NGs would have one believe. Look around and see what
brand dominates the corporate fleet market. Ford has the largest
percentage of fleet buyers because Ford vehicles are the most cost
effect in terms of acquiring, insuring, maintaining, repairing, and
replacing the vehicles, period

mike

A) How long have you been retired? You're really out of touch. Import
part prices and availability aren't a problem since I-don't-know-when.
B) Which of these "fleets" publish these records?
C) Honda and Toyota aren't taking a $800 hit if they don't need to. With
45-day inventories, they don't need to.

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#7

You mean the stupid questions?

Two years, and why would anybody expect a corporation to publish it private
operating cost figures? LOL

mike

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Import brands are offering much higher rebates, than $800 on retail
sales, but you are free to believe whatever you choose. The current
fleet discount on the Ridgeline, so called "truck," is $1,500

mike

I notice you ducked the questions.

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:463f58d1$0$16370$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com...
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ebSdndH5IP5ry6LbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
Hog wash, you are confused. The 'courier' fleets avoid the midget cars
but they buy Focus, Civics, Corollas, Neons, VWs, Cavaliers as well as
Korean cars. Account executives
from every import manufacturer are all over our corporate fleet buyers,
looking to sell vehicles to them. As to the fleet discount, it is
pretty much the same amount for all manufactures domestic and import,
around $800 on average, for fleets as low as five vehicles.

The reason fleet buyer prefer domestics is the overall lower overall
cost of ownership over five years. Fleets look at the cost of the all
the 'tools' used in their business. Vehicles are just one more tool to
them. Import part prices and their availability are one of the major
problems. Waiting for parts equals longer down time. Initial purchase
prices, that average 20% higher, for similar size an similarly equipped
vehicles, and the fact imports do not generally build vehicles
specifically equipped for fleets.

Fleets maintain meticulous records that prove, on average, imports are
no better or worse than domestics in the cost of repairs required, as
many in import NGs would have one believe. Look around and see what
brand dominates the corporate fleet market. Ford has the largest
percentage of fleet buyers because Ford vehicles are the most cost
effect in terms of acquiring, insuring, maintaining, repairing, and
replacing the vehicles, period

mike

A) How long have you been retired? You're really out of touch. Import
part prices and availability aren't a problem since I-don't-know-when.
B) Which of these "fleets" publish these records?
C) Honda and Toyota aren't taking a $800 hit if they don't need to.
With 45-day inventories, they don't need to.

--
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#8

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

You mean the stupid questions?

Two years, and why would anybody expect a corporation to publish it
private operating cost figures? LOL

mike

In other words, you can't support your claims. That's what I expected.

Here, amuse yourself:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=3598

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2995

Quote:

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:8uOdne9T0ZQ18aLbnZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
Import brands are offering much higher rebates, than $800 on retail
sales, but you are free to believe whatever you choose. The current
fleet discount on the Ridgeline, so called "truck," is $1,500

mike

I notice you ducked the questions.

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:463f58d1$0$16370$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com...
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ebSdndH5IP5ry6LbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
Hog wash, you are confused. The 'courier' fleets avoid the midget
cars but they buy Focus, Civics, Corollas, Neons, VWs, Cavaliers as
well as Korean cars. Account executives
from every import manufacturer are all over our corporate fleet
buyers, looking to sell vehicles to them. As to the fleet discount,
it is pretty much the same amount for all manufactures domestic and
import, around $800 on average, for fleets as low as five vehicles.

The reason fleet buyer prefer domestics is the overall lower overall
cost of ownership over five years. Fleets look at the cost of the
all the 'tools' used in their business. Vehicles are just one more
tool to them. Import part prices and their availability are one of the
major problems. Waiting for parts equals longer down time. Initial
purchase prices, that average 20% higher, for similar size an
similarly equipped vehicles, and the fact imports do not generally
build vehicles specifically equipped for fleets.

Fleets maintain meticulous records that prove, on average, imports are
no better or worse than domestics in the cost of repairs required, as
many in import NGs would have one believe. Look around and see what
brand dominates the corporate fleet market. Ford has the largest
percentage of fleet buyers because Ford vehicles are the most cost
effect in terms of acquiring, insuring, maintaining, repairing, and
replacing the vehicles, period

mike

A) How long have you been retired? You're really out of touch. Import
part prices and availability aren't a problem since I-don't-know-when.
B) Which of these "fleets" publish these records?
C) Honda and Toyota aren't taking a $800 hit if they don't need to.
With 45-day inventories, they don't need to.

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#9

"dh" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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You mean the stupid questions?

Two years, and why would anybody expect a corporation to publish it
private operating cost figures? LOL

mike

In other words, you can't support your claims. That's what I expected.

What do you expect? Mike's a troll.

Jeff

#10

Spin it any way you wish, the fact remains import brands are offering much
higher rebates, than $800 on retail sales, than the average fleet discount
and fleet discount on the Ridgeline, so called "truck," is $1,500

mike

Quote:

In other words, you can't support your claims. That's what I expected.

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