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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: Rising Sun - a GOOD thing????! - 05-08-2007 , 07:34 PM






That may be your opinion but Toyota and all other Japanese corporations
operating in the US are indeed different, because of the tax rates and laws
in Japan. GM, Ford etal pay state and local taxes as well, just like
Toyota but they also pay federal corporate taxes on the profits made in the
US and Toyota does not.

European and American corporations pay taxes on the profits earned in the
US. Japanese corporations do not because of the tax credits they get for
taxes paid in Japan. They do not call it 'Japan Inc.' for nothing, because
Japanese corporations receive payments from the government as capital
returned, for profits from exports and profits earned in other countries.

In Europe foreign corporations like GM, Ford and Toyota etc pay corporate
taxes on the profits earned in Europe, period. That is one reason Japanese
cars are not as competitive in Europe, they do not have the tax advantages
that they have in the US. European taxes are high to cover their socialist
governments costs

You might also do a search how much the individual states are contributing
to the costs of the new plants and infrastructure being built for Toyota
with state government backed low interest rate bold issues, in those states,
and who is paying the training costs for their under paid employees.

Pennsylvania did the same thing for VW, where I got a job as a field
engineer, back in the seventies because the plant would create thousands of
new jobs. A few years later when small car stopped selling, VW decided to
pull out and stuck the state with millions of dollars of forty year bonds.
that were to have be paid off by VW. Pennsylvania was lucky, they were able
to sell the plant to Chrysler and pay off most of the balance due on the
bonds, plus the penalties for retiring them early. Who will buy Toyotas
plants if indeed the domestics do go out of business or move offshore and
Toyota decides to build the cars in their new China plants where they too
can build them much cheaper?


mike


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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote


Quote:
Toyota is no different than any other multi-national operating in the USA,
they are no different than the Big Three. Indeed, the American operations
of Toyota do pay taxes on > American operations and they pay wages to US
workers.



"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:BOOdnUEdl45TKN3bnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
The sticker does not mean the US, it means north America. Many of the
parts that come from Canada are merely assembled there of imported
components, to qualify as NA parts. The parts in Toyotas assembly only
plants are stamped of steel that came from Japan to qualify as NA parts.
Final assembly of imported parts qualifies them a NA parts as well. They
are only smoke and mirrors American parts.

mike




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Jeff Strickland
 
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Default Re: Rising Sun - a GOOD thing????! - 05-08-2007 , 07:43 PM






The Japanese company I worked for for 10 years was required to set up an
American operating company specifically so the USA could collect taxes on
the operations here.

Why would local government give any incentives to companies to build plants
and hire staff if there was no chance of collecting taxes down the road? My
community has entered into these kinds of agreements with large companies
because government sees the logical benefit of having the jobs in the
community. Eventually, when the agreements expire, they collect property
taxes from the company.

In any case, you are pointing your crooked little finger specifically at
Toyota, and that is wrong. Toyota is not doing anything that they are not
allowed to do. You may not like what they are doing, but tough shit.






"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
That may be your opinion but Toyota and all other Japanese corporations
operating in the US are indeed different, because of the tax rates and
laws in Japan. GM, Ford etal pay state and local taxes as well, just
like Toyota but they also pay federal corporate taxes on the profits made
in the US and Toyota does not.

European and American corporations pay taxes on the profits earned in the
US. Japanese corporations do not because of the tax credits they get for
taxes paid in Japan. They do not call it 'Japan Inc.' for nothing, because
Japanese corporations receive payments from the government as capital
returned, for profits from exports and profits earned in other countries.

In Europe foreign corporations like GM, Ford and Toyota etc pay corporate
taxes on the profits earned in Europe, period. That is one reason
Japanese cars are not as competitive in Europe, they do not have the tax
advantages that they have in the US. European taxes are high to cover
their socialist governments costs

You might also do a search how much the individual states are contributing
to the costs of the new plants and infrastructure being built for Toyota
with state government backed low interest rate bold issues, in those
states, and who is paying the training costs for their under paid
employees.

Pennsylvania did the same thing for VW, where I got a job as a field
engineer, back in the seventies because the plant would create thousands
of new jobs. A few years later when small car stopped selling, VW decided
to pull out and stuck the state with millions of dollars of forty year
bonds. that were to have be paid off by VW. Pennsylvania was lucky, they
were able to sell the plant to Chrysler and pay off most of the balance
due on the bonds, plus the penalties for retiring them early. Who will
buy Toyotas plants if indeed the domestics do go out of business or move
offshore and Toyota decides to build the cars in their new China plants
where they too can build them much cheaper?


mike


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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Az30i.2471$vX4.1471 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) ..

Toyota is no different than any other multi-national operating in the
USA, they are no different than the Big Three. Indeed, the American
operations of Toyota do pay taxes on > American operations and they pay
wages to US workers.



"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:BOOdnUEdl45TKN3bnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
The sticker does not mean the US, it means north America. Many of the
parts that come from Canada are merely assembled there of imported
components, to qualify as NA parts. The parts in Toyotas assembly only
plants are stamped of steel that came from Japan to qualify as NA parts.
Final assembly of imported parts qualifies them a NA parts as well.
They are only smoke and mirrors American parts.

mike





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Jeff
 
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Default Re: Rising Sun - a GOOD thing????! - 05-08-2007 , 07:47 PM




"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
The Japanese company I worked for for 10 years was required to set up an
American operating company specifically so the USA could collect taxes on
the operations here.
I don't think Toyota was requried to set up American and Canadian operating
companies, but it set up several.

Quote:
Why would local government give any incentives to companies to build
plants and hire staff if there was no chance of collecting taxes down the
road?
Because it gives their citizens jobs. And those jobs create other jobs, like
at the gas station, grocery store, Starbucks, as well as the job building
the plant.

It would collect lots of taxes, not just the taxes directly from the
company.

Local and state governments do this often, whether or not the company was an
American company.

Quote:
My community has entered into these kinds of agreements with large
companies because government sees the logical benefit of having the jobs
in the community. Eventually, when the agreements expire, they collect
property taxes from the company.

In any case, you are pointing your crooked little finger specifically at
Toyota, and that is wrong. Toyota is not doing anything that they are not
allowed to do. You may not like what they are doing, but tough shit.
I would be doing the same thing if I owned a big company: Go to the place
with the lowest costs, including state and local income taxes.



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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: Rising Sun - a GOOD thing????! - 05-09-2007 , 08:28 AM



One is free to believe whatever they chose but that is a big 'IF.' While
the holding companies of Japanese corporations do pay state and local taxes,
if one searches the IRS site and you will discover Toyota etal do not pay
federal corporate income taxes on profit earn in the US.

Toyota no longer says their vehicles are made in the US since Honda, who
actually makes cars in the US, complained to the FTC about Toyota bogus
advertisements

mike


"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote

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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Yes, so what?

The problem isn't what Toyota says, the problem is what the US government
allows them to say. Your tone is that Toyota is engaged in smoke and
mirrors, my argument is that the smoke and mirror defines the playing
field and Toyota is merely playing the game. The issue, therefore, is
whom is creating the smoke and mirrors. Toyota is no different than any
other multi-national operating in the USA, they are no different than the
Big Three. Indeed, the American operations of Toyota do pay taxes on
American operations and they pay wages to US workers.

That's true. The American operations of Toyota are American companies,
fully owned by Toyota. They pay state and federal income taxes just like
the Michigan 3 do. Toyota and any other company can say that their cars
are made in the US if 75% of the components are made in the US and the
cars are assembled in the US. (Honda ran into problems with this with
their lawn mowers.)

Jeff

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:BOOdnUEdl45TKN3bnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
The sticker does not mean the US, it means north America. Many of the
parts that come from Canada are merely assembled there of imported
components, to qualify as NA parts. The parts in Toyotas assembly only
plants are stamped of steel that came from Japan to qualify as NA parts.
Final assembly of imported parts qualifies them a NA parts as well.
They are only smoke and mirrors American parts.

mike



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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: Rising Sun - a GOOD thing????! - 05-09-2007 , 08:45 AM



If a corporation wants to locate in a particular area they will do it
without subsidies from the local government. It is more likely they will
spend millions to fight the local government that tries to stop them.

I know of a recent incident where the local and county governments offered a
ten year tax free deferment, to the company building a facility for a major
well know US corporation. The School district vote no to the tax free offer
and refused to train the employees at taxpayer expense. Most local were
pissed at the school board. Guess what, they build the facility and the
corporation is paying the school district to train the employees and the
THREE governments are receiving millions in taxes from the facility that
would have been lost but for the smarter folks, like one of my sons, on the
school board.

mike


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
The Japanese company I worked for for 10 years was required to set up an
American operating company specifically so the USA could collect taxes on
the operations here.

Why would local government give any incentives to companies to build
plants and hire staff if there was no chance of collecting taxes down the
road? My community has entered into these kinds of agreements with large
companies because government sees the logical benefit of having the jobs
in the community. Eventually, when the agreements expire, they collect
property taxes from the company.

Toyota is not doing anything that they are not allowed to do. You may not
like what they are doing, but tough shit.






"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:3tadndowUfiIitzbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
That may be your opinion but Toyota and all other Japanese corporations
operating in the US are indeed different, because of the tax rates and
laws in Japan. GM, Ford etal pay state and local taxes as well, just
like Toyota but they also pay federal corporate taxes on the profits made
in the US and Toyota does not.

European and American corporations pay taxes on the profits earned in the
US. Japanese corporations do not because of the tax credits they get for
taxes paid in Japan. They do not call it 'Japan Inc.' for nothing,
because Japanese corporations receive payments from the government as
capital returned, for profits from exports and profits earned in other
countries.

In Europe foreign corporations like GM, Ford and Toyota etc pay corporate
taxes on the profits earned in Europe, period. That is one reason
Japanese cars are not as competitive in Europe, they do not have the tax
advantages that they have in the US. European taxes are high to cover
their socialist governments costs

You might also do a search how much the individual states are
contributing to the costs of the new plants and infrastructure being
built for Toyota with state government backed low interest rate bold
issues, in those states, and who is paying the training costs for their
under paid employees.

Pennsylvania did the same thing for VW, where I got a job as a field
engineer, back in the seventies because the plant would create thousands
of new jobs. A few years later when small car stopped selling, VW decided
to pull out and stuck the state with millions of dollars of forty year
bonds. that were to have be paid off by VW. Pennsylvania was lucky, they
were able to sell the plant to Chrysler and pay off most of the balance
due on the bonds, plus the penalties for retiring them early. Who will
buy Toyotas plants if indeed the domestics do go out of business or move
offshore and Toyota decides to build the cars in their new China plants
where they too can build them much cheaper?


mike



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