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Default Re: What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road? - 10-28-2009 , 04:20 PM






Perhaps your personal opinion explains why there are so many Crown Vic's and
Grand Marquis in Florida and Arizona. There are a large percentage of older
folks in those states, that are more highly educated with higher incomes,
who maintain their vehicles better and will be less likely to drive in a way
that will total the vehicle, than the purchaser of many of the small or
midget cars that do not do nearly as well with longevity because they are
more likely to keep them till they, or the car, dies.

I think one reason one may keep their Toyota longer than average new car
buyer, is the average Toyota buyers are older and more likely to be female.
They buy cars like they buy their appliances. They rely on what they read
in magazine like CR etc., rather than real car guys that read magazines like
Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track etc.

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote

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dr_jeff wrote:
The numbers are misleading, however. You can have a Lexus that has
200,000 mi going strong after 20 years, and a Ford Focus that has been
worn out after 500,000 after 3 years.

And the reverse could also be true. There are always outliers, but of all
the possible reasons for the results, the one you gave is probably the
least likely to affect the results.

Remove the luxury makes, the niche brands, and the makes that were not in
existence for the full 20 years, and the brands that were the most likely
to be on the road for 11-20 years are:

1. Toyota
2. Honda
3. Mazda
4. Buick
5. VW
6. Buick
7. Chrysler (or is this a luxury brand?)
8. Nissan

The top two are very consistent with what you see on the road, at least in
the state I live in. Tons of older Hondas and Toyotas, VWs, and Nissans.

What the survey doesn't take into account is the demographics of the
owners. Someone that purchases a Toyota or Honda is more likely to be more
highly educated and higher income, and will maintain their vehicles better
and will be less likely to drive in a way that will total the vehicle,
than the purchaser of many of the makes that did poorly in longevity.

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Default Re: What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road? - 10-28-2009 , 08:49 PM






Mike Hunter wrote:
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Perhaps your personal opinion explains why there are so many Crown Vic's and
Grand Marquis in Florida and Arizona. There are a large percentage of older
folks in those states, that are more highly educated with higher incomes,
who maintain their vehicles better and will be less likely to drive in a way
that will total the vehicle, than the purchaser of many of the small or
midget cars that do not do nearly as well with longevity because they are
more likely to keep them till they, or the car, dies.

I think one reason one may keep their Toyota longer than average new car
buyer, is the average Toyota buyers are older and more likely to be female.
They buy cars like they buy their appliances. They rely on what they read
in magazine like CR etc., rather than real car guys that read magazines like
Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track etc.
If you think that you are not biased, you are mistaken. In addition, if
you think that Car and Driver has better advice on which cars to buy
than CR, you are also mistaken. ANd in the 2009 C and D ten best, only
two were American brands (Caddy CTS and Corvetter). So, if you are
saying C and D is for real cars guys, then the real car guys are saying
buy from overseas.

Jeff

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dr_jeff wrote:
The numbers are misleading, however. You can have a Lexus that has
200,000 mi going strong after 20 years, and a Ford Focus that has been
worn out after 500,000 after 3 years.
And the reverse could also be true. There are always outliers, but of all
the possible reasons for the results, the one you gave is probably the
least likely to affect the results.

Remove the luxury makes, the niche brands, and the makes that were not in
existence for the full 20 years, and the brands that were the most likely
to be on the road for 11-20 years are:

1. Toyota
2. Honda
3. Mazda
4. Buick
5. VW
6. Buick
7. Chrysler (or is this a luxury brand?)
8. Nissan

The top two are very consistent with what you see on the road, at least in
the state I live in. Tons of older Hondas and Toyotas, VWs, and Nissans.

What the survey doesn't take into account is the demographics of the
owners. Someone that purchases a Toyota or Honda is more likely to be more
highly educated and higher income, and will maintain their vehicles better
and will be less likely to drive in a way that will total the vehicle,
than the purchaser of many of the makes that did poorly in longevity.


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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road? - 10-29-2009 , 11:13 AM



Is the Corvetter one of GM's new electric cars?


"dr_jeff" <utz (AT) msu (DOT) edu> wrote

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Mike Hunter wrote:
Perhaps your personal opinion explains why there are so many Crown Vic's
and Grand Marquis in Florida and Arizona. There are a large percentage
of older folks in those states, that are more highly educated with higher
incomes, who maintain their vehicles better and will be less likely to
drive in a way that will total the vehicle, than the purchaser of many of
the small or midget cars that do not do nearly as well with longevity
because they are more likely to keep them till they, or the car, dies.

I think one reason one may keep their Toyota longer than average new car
buyer, is the average Toyota buyers are older and more likely to be
female. They buy cars like they buy their appliances. They rely on what
they read in magazine like CR etc., rather than real car guys that read
magazines like Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track etc.

ANd in the 2009 C and D ten best, only two were American brands (Caddy CTS
and Corvetter). Jeff

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