[SPOILER] At last

#1

Delighted to see the stewards acting at last to discourage drivers
moving across off the start. It might be a bit tough on Ralf,
considering that others (not least his brother) have done far worse in
the past and got away with, but he did cause a huge accident.....and
one which could have been much worse.

I suppose it was the carelessness of it which caught the eye as much
as anything. It wasn't even an obvious attempt at a block. He just
drifted across and knocked Rubens into Kimi, almost as if he wasn't
looking. Actually, the more you watch it, the worse it looks -
particularly as Rubens was clearly aware of Kimi and made room for
him.

David Betts (davidb (AT) motorsport (DOT) org.uk)

"In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner

British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg

#2

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:53:24 GMT, Ian Dalziel <iandalziel (AT) lineone (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:12:53 GMT, David Betts
davidb (AT) motorsport (DOT) org.uk> wrote:

I suppose it was the carelessness of it which caught the eye as much
as anything. It wasn't even an obvious attempt at a block. He just
drifted across and knocked Rubens into Kimi, almost as if he wasn't
looking. Actually, the more you watch it, the worse it looks -
particularly as Rubens was clearly aware of Kimi and made room for
him.

How much sight would Ralf have had of the other cars, though? He was
in front, and there are massive blind spots with those mirrors.

Very little, I would have thought - which is why he needed to make
damn sure he could see where the other cars were or not make the move
atall.

Quote:

I couldn't call it as more than a racing incident.

My call at the time.....and Ron's. As I said before, though, the more
you watch it......

Quote:

The rule does say
something like "cause an avoidable collision", though - and if he
hadn't moved there wouldn't have been a collision.

Exactly. Presumably he'll get a big fine and be put to the back of the
grid for Hungary if he appeals. Best to take his medicine. Mid-grid
postions don't seem to preclude scoring good points any more.

Speaking of which, bloody good race again.....despite losing three of
the front runners before the first corner.

David Betts (davidb (AT) motorsport (DOT) org.uk)

"In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner

British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg

#3

"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

How much sight would Ralf have had of the other cars, though? He was
in front, and there are massive blind spots with those mirrors. I
couldn't call it as more than a racing incident. The rule does say
something like "cause an avoidable collision", though - and if he
hadn't moved there wouldn't have been a collision.

At least Kimi in the post-race interview claimed to be already ahead of
Ralf. The spot of impact where Kimi hit the Willims (right behind the front
tyre) to me confirms the order at impact was JPM->Kimi->Ralf->Rubens.

/vesku

#4

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:50:32 GMT, "Vesku" <vesa_tormanen (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:8t3siv095qnp4jvokdm03uk0of718mvqol (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

How much sight would Ralf have had of the other cars, though? He was
in front, and there are massive blind spots with those mirrors. I
couldn't call it as more than a racing incident. The rule does say
something like "cause an avoidable collision", though - and if he
hadn't moved there wouldn't have been a collision.

At least Kimi in the post-race interview claimed to be already ahead of
Ralf. The spot of impact where Kimi hit the Willims (right behind the front
tyre) to me confirms the order at impact was JPM->Kimi->Ralf->Rubens.

Don't think so - still photo in the Guardian this morning seems to
show Kimi almost level with Ralf but not quite.
He was also coming past the others, so he would have been well behind
when Ralf started to move.

Ian

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