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Re: Bridgestone explain why.. -
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Brendan, I think you're misunderstanding me : the ONLY point I was making all along (that Dupasquier corroborated in that press release) is that Todt apparently wanted and deliberately created the exclusive relationship with Bridgestone (where you had said it was gratuitous rambling, remember?). |
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To that end, I used two quotes - one from Todt himself, and one from Dupasquier. The important part of both quotes was the last sentence - the rest was included for context. I never addressed the question of separate tyres for separate teams at all. That was never my point. Excuse me if I've confused things for you. I should've snipped the quotes smaller perhaps, but it wasn't clear where to. Oh and sadly, just about everything we read about F1 is in press releases of one form or another, innit? Hey, it's all "suppositions and lies" anyway... :-) |
himself and expect to have any credibility left? How are we supposed to
settle arguments..?
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CatharticF1 wrote: So here once again is what he said when he wasn't just signing a press release written for him: Care to cite a source for your (almost certainly erroneous) assumption that the paragraph in question was written for him? |
spin, Paul. I'm sure it will be in the fine print. Just like Kimi's verbose
rambling of his expectations before every race - he actually says all that.
You're so plainly disengenous - I expect your next step will be mock
indignation ;-7
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Well I would expect that if one Bridgestone runner is in difficulty with tyres, they all are, and the same for Michelin. And I don't disagree that they have had bad races due to the tyres, especially Barcelona. But even when the tyres have been good, they have not dominated like last year, or even close. |
whol intention of the original post was just to raise a point of view that
I hadn't considered and found enlightening. I thihk the rest just started
because I need to defend my goal you know ;-p
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"Paul-B" <paul (AT) null (DOT) invalid.com> wrote in news:3qnajaFfhhtiU1 @individual.net: CatharticF1 wrote: So here once again is what he said when he wasn't just signing a press >> release written for him: Care to cite a source for your (almost certainly erroneous) assumption that the paragraph in question was written for him? Sure - all press releases point out that the contents are just manufactured spin, Paul. I'm sure it will be in the fine print. Just like Kimi's verbose rambling of his expectations before every race - he actually says all that. You're so plainly disengenous - I expect your next step will be mock indignation ;-7 |
which "prove" your theories, but you steadfastly deny any cited sources
which conflict with what you imagine to be the truth.
A bit like your Amerikan doppelganger when discussing anything Ferrari,
or the existance of an English mafia in F1.
In the case in question I'd rather believe a statement made in a press
release by Dupasquier than your own contrived theories. He should know,
you certainly don't.
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CatharticF1 wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) null (DOT) invalid.com> wrote in news:3qnajaFfhhtiU1 @individual.net: CatharticF1 wrote: So here once again is what he said when he wasn't just signing a press >> release written for him: Care to cite a source for your (almost certainly erroneous) assumption that the paragraph in question was written for him? Sure - all press releases point out that the contents are just manufactured spin, Paul. I'm sure it will be in the fine print. Just like Kimi's verbose rambling of his expectations before every race - he actually says all that. You're so plainly disengenous - I expect your next step will be mock indignation ;-7 Not at all, I'm just pointing out the obvious... that you cite sources which "prove" your theories, but you steadfastly deny any cited sources which conflict with what you imagine to be the truth. |
point is that it was A PRESS RELEASE to sell Michelin's opposition to a
one tyre make formula Paul. You just decided to attack the unimportant
aspect of the argument (that it was written for him) because it's the
only one you could win.
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In the case in question I'd rather believe a statement made in a press release by Dupasquier than your own contrived theories. He should know, you certainly don't. |
the puppet for the purpose of his company's headline.
So - time to feign the mock indignation yet?
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'What you thought was freedom is just greed'
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Oh FFS, stop being a Ferrari apologist and look at the *facts*. You are so full of it sometimes Frank.. so let's see what you've got, huh? Ah-huh.. |
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very badly on others. Some of these tracks were fast and some were slow, the weather was mostly good, so there is nothing to correlate your notion that it is purely the tyres causing this decline.. You're making my case - keep it going! There is no other pattern - by your own admission.. What the hell else is changing between races? Are they putting an old Holden motor in every other weekend? If you have to ask that question, then you really do need to open a |
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So the car was a tyre eater in Bahrain and suddenly in Imola made a relative leap of *seconds* - and had _no_ significant tyre wear. What else changed. This *is* hard, huh? See above. I can make a 5 minute adjustment on your suspension and |
killing 4 rear lefts in one race.. Illusion ?
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You must have trouble believing poison warning labels too. i like being sceptical. For instance, unlike you, i don't believe |
see the reason to try and blame something else to be the reason behind
my F1 team not performing.
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And all the time, the Jordans and Minardis were carrying on as usual on the same(or so we're told) rubber. Well Jordan and Minardi have improved since last year for very simple non tyre related reasons Frank. But keep pushing that.. Such as ? And don't give me the engine crap you gave Phil. |
Valiant Regal and it still won't perform better in a corner then with
a set of 600 dollar one. Of course, i realise that you are trying to
tell me that when the Ferrari actually handles, it's the car setup,
when it doesn't it's the tyres.
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And you're also saying they have had no tyre issues? Not true either. Am i ? Didn't everyone have tyre issues since tyres were invented ? |
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Think for a second. If you bolt bad tyres onto an already struggling chassis(MinJor) how will it impact the handling, as compared to bolting bad tyres on a damn good chassis(allegedly Ferrari) ? The Ferraris were the class of the field this afternoon in Suzuka Frank. What does that and Imola do to the shreds of your argument? ROFL class of my arse. Geez, you don't think the teams knew that there |
runs in the morning ?
And Imola ? Since when did Ferrari ever perform badly on their home
tracks ? You do know that (reportedly) Sato has been given a trick
engine for today's race ? And last year's Japan race too. You knew
that, right ?
Without further ado, let me quote your hero on Friday's prac :
“Driving at Suzuka is always good fun, however, I find it difficult to
judge how we went today. We will have to study the data in depth. We
definitely did better in the second session but the time difference is
down to the fact that we were probably the only ones to run on new
tyres before the rain came in the afternoon. But the times do not
reflect our true position and there is no reason to think we can be
stronger than in Brazil. The unpredictable weather could help our
cause.”
And if it does rain, then as always, the performance differences
between cars diminish and the driver most likely to benefit is going
to be MS. There is not too many drivers out there who can outdrive him
in the rain.
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So the car was a tyre eater in Bahrain and suddenly in Imola made a relative leap of *seconds* - and had _no_ significant tyre wear. What else changed. This *is* hard, huh? See above. I can make a 5 minute adjustment on your suspension and have you wear your tires out in no time. Is it magic ? Williams killing 4 rear lefts in one race.. Illusion ? |
performances or early season issues. And Ferrari do have quite extensive
and well proven setup information too.. "Um - will we use the big or the
little spanner"
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Well Jordan and Minardi have improved since last year for very simple non tyre related reasons Frank. But keep pushing that.. Such as ? And don't give me the engine crap you gave Phil. And i'll tell you again. You can bolt a set of 3000 rubbers onto a Valiant Regal and it still won't perform better in a corner then with a set of 600 dollar one. Of course, i realise that you are trying to tell me that when the Ferrari actually handles, it's the car setup, when it doesn't it's the tyres. |
years (with a better motor) and Jordan now have a Toyota engine.
They are facts Frank - and not from Ferrari either...
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And you're also saying they have had no tyre issues? Not true either. Am i ? Didn't everyone have tyre issues since tyres were invented ? |
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Think for a second. If you bolt bad tyres onto an already struggling chassis(MinJor) how will it impact the handling, as compared to bolting bad tyres on a damn good chassis(allegedly Ferrari) ? The Ferraris were the class of the field this afternoon in Suzuka Frank. What does that and Imola do to the shreds of your argument? ROFL class of my arse. Geez, you don't think the teams knew that there was rain coming in the afternoon and that's why they did their fast runs in the morning ? And Imola ? Since when did Ferrari ever perform badly on their home tracks ? You do know that (reportedly) Sato has been given a trick engine for today's race ? And last year's Japan race too. You knew that, right ? |
most of us.
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Without further ado, let me quote your hero on Friday's prac : “Driving at Suzuka is always good fun, however, I find it difficult to judge how we went today. We will have to study the data in depth. We definitely did better in the second session but the time difference is down to the fact that we were probably the only ones to run on new tyres before the rain came in the afternoon. But the times do not reflect our true position and there is no reason to think we can be stronger than in Brazil. The unpredictable weather could help our cause.” And if it does rain, then as always, the performance differences between cars diminish and the driver most likely to benefit is going to be MS. There is not too many drivers out there who can outdrive him in the rain. |
It's tyres Frank - not all by a long stretch, but all your meandering
attempts have just served to reinforce it.
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CatharticF1
'What you thought was freedom is just greed'
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I do believe him Paul - I QUOTED him you idiot. But not when he's playing the puppet for the purpose of his company's headline. |
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So - time to feign the mock indignation yet? |
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It means that tyres can and do make a big difference Frank. Simple - for most of us. So.... What happened ? Tyres got tired ? |
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And if it does rain, then as always, the performance differences between cars diminish and the driver most likely to benefit is going to be MS. There is not too many drivers out there who can outdrive him in the rain. Rubens as well? How long can you backpedal? It's tyres Frank - not all by a long stretch, but all your meandering attempts have just served to reinforce it. Ahem.. 7th and 11th, sounds like usual '05 performance to me. |
Webber also got some of those good tires too. :-)
So... bite me. ;-)
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It's tyres Frank - not all by a long stretch, but all your meandering attempts have just served to reinforce it. Ahem.. 7th and 11th, sounds like usual '05 performance to me. Hope they(Ferr.) keep these tyres for next season too. Good news is, Webber also got some of those good tires too. :-) |
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So... bite me. ;-) |
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