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Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

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Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

Well...I think Interlagos and Montreal are ok

John Doe II wrote:

Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

I like Silverstone - there may not be much in the way of overtaking, but
stand on the outside of Copse or anywhere near Becketts and watch an F1
car at full speed through there... awesome.

I like Suzuka, too - the 130R, the mere fact it's a figure of 8, the
wiggly bits in the first part of the lap.

I like Imola but my favourite bit has been made more awkward and less
flowing - the bit in between the two highest points.

I like Interlagos, because the racing is usually good there, and because
it's difficult to get right in GP4.

I like your original 3.

I mourn for Hockenheim.

--
Phil

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

"Phil Newnham" <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

John Doe II wrote:
Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any
one really cares about?

I like Silverstone - there may not be much in the way of overtaking, but
stand on the outside of Copse or anywhere near Becketts and watch an F1
car at full speed through there... awesome.

I like Suzuka, too - the 130R, the mere fact it's a figure of 8, the
wiggly bits in the first part of the lap.

I like Imola but my favourite bit has been made more awkward and less
flowing - the bit in between the two highest points.

I like Interlagos, because the racing is usually good there, and because
it's difficult to get right in GP4.

I like your original 3.

I mourn for Hockenheim.

Agree with all the above, Phil - and I'm a bit worried about Spa to, now.
They've done something to make Eau Rouge a - relative - piece of piss
(missed the start of Brundles report this morning) and the Bus Stop has been
completely immasculated.

I'll send you some Interlagos set up tomorrow ;-). One of my favourites too,
especially now school's started again and I've got the main PC to myself for
a few weeks.

Cheers,
Probert.

John Doe II wrote:

Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

Great tracks, don't forget Suzuka and Silverstone. The Becketts
complex at Silverstone, and the left-right-left-right section at the
start of the lap at Suzuka are probably fighting to be the trickiest
corners in F1 in terms of gaining/losing time by being inches out of
line having a knock-on effect through the entire section.

It seems to be a common trend that the final corner or part of the lap
must be ruined or completely out of character to the rest of the
circuit.

The final chicane at Suzuka is rubbish. There has to be something
there to stop the cars bombing down the front straight, and preferably
provide an overtaking opportunity, but there's a lot of space there and
the chicane they have is in exactly the wrong place, is way too tight,
is too close to 130R and fouls the pitlane entry. It changes on a
yearly basis too.

Silverstone is awesome, the cars don't even think of getting slow until
Club (over halfway around the lap). Bridge into Priory is great,
Brooklands is okay, but the Luffield hairpin is pointless. A slow,
washy, constant radius 200 degree corner. It was poor when it was two
distinct turns, but the thing they have now is dire. It's just
waiting... waiting... waiting... until the corner ends. F1 ain't
NASCAR...

Spa is the best circuit on the F1 calendar, each corner stands out.
All the way around the lap, fantastic, challenging corners all of
them... until the Bus Stop. If they let the cars come out of
Blanchimont and run to La Source, it would be a perfect end to the lap.
The only concern I can think is safety, but La Source is actually a
road junction and they could run the barriers half a mile up that
escape road if they wanted to.

Monza's slightly different, because it's the first chicane that sucks.
Like Suzuka, there has to be something there, and there's the space for
it, but what they have is just too tight and slow. Seeing F1 cars
crawling around the tight left hander is an affront to what F1 stands
for. The old version wasn't much better, but it did manage to cause
mistakes, like Hakkinen dropping it in 1998 and Hill spinning out in
1994(?), so there was something about it.

Even the hallowed ground of Monaco isn't left unchanged. La Rascasse
has been neutered, and every year barriers are moved further back from
apexes. It's change for change's sake, and it's taming the biggest
mental challenge in F1.

I don't actually mind the odd chicane, done properly. Variante Alta at
Imola is a perfect example. But for some reason it seems to be a rule
that every track must have some pointless, tight, painfully slow
chicane for some reason.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:13:33 -0600, John Doe II wrote
(in article <6cqdnWLNVPjxo77eRVn-1Q (AT) centurytel (DOT) net>):

Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

Actually, I think they're all really good except for Monaco, although I'd
love to go to that one as well and we all know it's going to be around
forever. But really, as far as the race goes it's not one of my favourites
although this year was pretty good...

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Cheers!

Dennis

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"John Doe II" <firsTraveler (AT) centurytel (DOT) net> wrote

Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

Suzuka

John Doe II wrote:

Monaco, Spa, and Monza, are there any other tracks left in F1 that any one
really cares about?

I thought that track in Turkey was outstanding, they really do seem
to have pulled together all the good corners in F1 and stuffed them into
one lap; it flowed well, the cars could pass, and drivers made mistakes
on the tough corners.

It's Tilke's first effort that's surpassed his usual one good idea
surrounded by a bunch of crap.

--
tussock

Aspie at work, sorry in advance.

Interlagos is more than ok, it's just I doubt many traditional
hard-core European whingers ever get to the Brazilian GP and see the
elevation changes for themselves. Heck, Button was impresssed when he
first turned up. It's also at reasonable altitude which reduces the out
and out performance and allows for some decent stuff - top speed would
be 220mph at sea level rather than 190. The new track in Turkey is
quite reasonable even on TV, so I should reserve judgement before
turning up.

Suzuka is up there as one of my fav's too..