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The end of third cars
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Re: The end of third cars -
07-08-2006
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If the FIA wants drivers to appear on Friday, all they have to do is to say : Rule 12345 As of <insert date> all drivers and cars will have to take part in Friday practice. 12345.a All cars must reach at least 80% of the track's throttle rating and spend 50% of the practice time on the track. ie: If a track is rated at 60% full throttle, cars must reach an average of 48% throttle over a lap, or explain.. Spend at least half hour of the one hour session, on track. Nothing like contriving to make it even less about Sunday. A small problem on Friday and what's would you have as the penalty? 10 grid spots? Contriving is a strong term. Even the engine rule is clear and for a |
the design or usage is what's being penalised and it's a fair bet that
blowing a 200K engine is not a team's intention, so they are being
penalised mostly for bad luck. That's wrong.
But this would be a clear rule, one which is fully within the grasps
of the team to keep to. If something goes wrong withthe car, they can
show/explain it to the stewards and get on with life, but if they
simply don't adhere, then they did so willingly. I don't think that we
would buy a "whoops, we forgot" argument over most any rule in F1, so
this would be no different.
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I think there have been simpler, more logical proposals that would have the teams, both wanting and able to, do more testing on Fridays. None that i recall. |
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What about limiting the number of engines to one per weekend? What about limiting the number of tyres to 7 sets per weekend? AFAICR, the weekend is Saturday and Sunday. Let the teams do what they want on Fridays. And let the venues, most of which would already operate at a loss, be |
on the day ? F1 was and is very healthy with 3 day weekends, there is
no need to change this.
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from grandprix.com "The FIA chose the rather bizarre time of a Friday afternoon to announce that it is planning to get rid of third cars next year. The logic behind this is to force the race drivers to appear on Fridays which at the moment is not happening because the teams are choosing to preserve their engines by not running, and are leaving their testing work to the third drivers. The new rule will mean that test drivers will no longer be able to show their paces." Would this preclude a "spare" for Friday? If it does, don't be surprised to see Friday dropped. Except then promoters might start worrying about the asking price for a race. Otherwise you could get the GP drivers trying out the spare. In which case the title should read "and end to 3rd drivers". Anyway, it's a good thing. joe |
allowing for a new engines to be used on Friday, otherwise they'll achieve
nothing.
I'm certain if the top teams could go out there in spare cars and not
worry about engines or mileage all the drivers would be on track at will.
Allowing a separate set of tyres for friday practise would also add to the
spectacle as teams would do a lot more laps searching for the optimum
setup. It also helps having only 1 tyre manufacturer.
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i think the best way to get the race day drivers out on friday would be to limit the amount of testing done during the season. If Max would ban all testing apart from the race weekend, the teams would be forced to use the track time available and send out all the cars they could. |
True, but what about development testing?
That would mean new aero can only be tested on the Friday before the race,
or new engine parts etc. There has to be some form of private testing
otherwise the team that starts the year on top might literally go on to
clean sweep the season.
Testing allows the competitors to get closer as much as it allows the top
teams to pull away. But half a second at the first race to 0.2 at the 6th
could mean a lot in terms of entertainment and overall competitiveness.
It's also why I believe the teams are against the engine freeze. Who has
the most horses and the more useful power band would just dominate engine
wise for the next 3/4 years if development isn't allowed.
Personally I like testing. Unlike Champ Car's where everything is the same
(engine, chassis, tyres, aero) in F1 the differences mean testing is a
necessary evil if you want competition.
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:49:57 -0700, Fay.Christian wrote: i think the best way to get the race day drivers out on friday would be to limit the amount of testing done during the season. If Max would ban all testing apart from the race weekend, the teams would be forced to use the track time available and send out all the cars they could. True, but what about development testing? Don't need it... Max has banned development!! |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:05:36 +0100, Prefect_Being wrote: from grandprix.com "The FIA chose the rather bizarre time of a Friday afternoon to announce that it is planning to get rid of third cars next year. The logic behind this is to force the race drivers to appear on Fridays which at the moment is not happening because the teams are choosing to preserve their engines by not running, and are leaving their testing work to the third drivers. The new rule will mean that test drivers will no longer be able to show their paces." Would this preclude a "spare" for Friday? If it does, don't be surprised to see Friday dropped. Except then promoters might start worrying about the asking price for a race. Otherwise you could get the GP drivers trying out the spare. In which case the title should read "and end to 3rd drivers". Anyway, it's a good thing. joe Hopefully they decide to make Fridays an open test day for the teams allowing for a new engines to be used on Friday, otherwise they'll achieve nothing. I'm certain if the top teams could go out there in spare cars and not worry about engines or mileage all the drivers would be on track at will. Allowing a separate set of tyres for friday practise would also add to the spectacle as teams would do a lot more laps searching for the optimum setup. It also helps having only 1 tyre manufacturer. Perhaps all this shamozzle is just another symptom of the Formula One's |
al, are trying to satisfy two or more mutually exclusive interest
groups, simultaneously?
Hence, half-solutions, or strange, at times slightly bizarre, rule
changes, and the rest, the rest, the rest.
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:39:41 +0100, HooDooWitch hoodoowitch_REM (AT) OVE_hindcottage (DOT) co.uk> wrote: AFAICR, the weekend is Saturday and Sunday. Let the teams do what they want on Fridays. Shabat is Friday to Saturday (I think). Half day closing is Wednesday. Why does "the weekend" have any more relevance to a Grand Prix? |
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from grandprix.com "The FIA chose the rather bizarre time of a Friday afternoon to announce that it is planning to get rid of third cars next year. The logic behind this is to force the race drivers to appear on Fridays which at the moment is not happening because the teams are choosing to preserve their engines by not running, and are leaving their testing work to the third drivers. The new rule will mean that test drivers will no longer be able to show their paces." |
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Load of crap, IMO. Another toothless effort from the FIA, to make themselves look busy and important. Careful enough though, not to piss off the teams, the sponsors, the track management and the spectators.. If the FIA wants drivers to appear on Friday, all they have to do is to say : |
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CatharticF1
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:39:41 +0100, HooDooWitch hoodoowitch_REM (AT) OVE_hindcottage (DOT) co.uk> wrote: What about limiting the number of engines to one per weekend? What about limiting the number of tyres to 7 sets per weekend? AFAICR, the weekend is Saturday and Sunday. Let the teams do what they want on Fridays. And let the venues, most of which would already operate at a loss, be it subsidised by government, lose 100,000+ people and what they spend on the day ? F1 was and is very healthy with 3 day weekends, there is no need to change this. |
like on the Friday was what I meant.
At the moment, the race doesn't start on Sunday when the lights go
out, it starts on Friday with the top drivers conserving their
resources by not running. Remove the tyre and engine restrictions from
Friday's sessions and you'll see top drivers doing useful setup work,
as they used to. They're the ones the punters come to watch, not
Nakajima Ennui in a Minworth or Timmy Tediuos in Red Bull Team 4's
third car.
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