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Default Excuses? - 04-17-2007 , 11:37 AM






Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie team mate
did better than him this last Sunday.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178



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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-17-2007 , 03:18 PM






"Silent Observer" <harrynospam (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie team mate
did better than him this last Sunday.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178
What makes you think that this is not true?




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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-17-2007 , 04:02 PM



On Apr 17, 4:18 pm, "Prof Pain" <Prof P... (AT) nspamiuygjhgjh (DOT) org> wrote:
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"Silent Observer" <harrynos... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message

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Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie team mate
did better than him this last Sunday.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178

What makes you think that this is not true?
There isn't any data supporting Alonso's claim. And as we all know
everything is in the telemetry. If Alonso was suffering from reduced
grip or anything car related it would show up in the telemetry. Until
is see data supporting Alonso's claim, I'm of the belief that Hamilton
Out-performed him

It is possible for someone to be faster than Alonso, No? But by
reading some of the post here you would think that the great Alonso
can never be out-driven. Alonso will soon run out of excuses. I
predicted that Hamilton would be able to out qualify Alonso by the 8th
race. Hamilton did it within 3.



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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-17-2007 , 04:22 PM



"Silent Observer" <harrynospam (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie team mate
did better than him this last Sunday.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178
Fernando tends to get a little too honest when he speaks with the press, he
just says whatever is on his mind - remember the "I was all alone" story
from last year - and that gets blown out of proportions (as always in F1).
Anyway, while Lewis did a fantastic job and is obviously a great racer, it
is also obvious that something was amiss with Fernando's car. Maybe it was
just wrong setup (which is ultimately his own responsability), I just hope
they'll find out exactly what it was...




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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-17-2007 , 05:23 PM



"Prof Pain" <Prof Pain (AT) nspamiuygjhgjh (DOT) org> wrote

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"Silent Observer" <harrynospam (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie team
mate did better than him this last Sunday.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178

What makes you think that this is not true?
I think it's true that the light pod fell on his car, but I feel he is using
it as an excuse for being outperformed.




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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-18-2007 , 04:27 AM



Bigbird wrote:
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TonyMitch (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:

On Apr 17, 4:18 pm, "Prof Pain" <Prof P... (AT) nspamiuygjhgjh (DOT) org> wrote:
"Silent Observer" <harrynos... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message

news:YLSdnZFdBo_iZrnbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...

Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie
team mate did better than him this last Sunday.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178
What makes you think that this is not true?
There isn't any data supporting Alonso's claim. And as we all know
everything is in the telemetry. If Alonso was suffering from reduced
grip or anything car related it would show up in the telemetry. Until
is see data supporting Alonso's claim, I'm of the belief that Hamilton
Out-performed him


So McLaren share all their data with you? You never told us that before.

I know you'd like to think the telemetry would simply flash up
"Fernando you're driving is crap today" but it doesn't work like that.
The data may tell them what is happening but not why.

For example in your video game it may say "add more front wing" but IRL
that is a more personal choice.

It is possible for someone to be faster than Alonso, No? But by
reading some of the post here you would think that the great Alonso
can never be out-driven. Alonso will soon run out of excuses. I
predicted that Hamilton would be able to out qualify Alonso by the 8th
race. Hamilton did it within 3.

Hamilton did not outperform Alonso simply because he was a better
driver on the day. Only a very naive fool would believe that.

Before making a judgemnet What an intelligent person might look at was
whether the race performances were consistent with performances
throughout the weekend. Though inconclusive there does appear to be a
performance drop off from Q3 onwards.

He might also ask why any problem caused by the accident wasn't picked
up, or more done to correct it, in Q3.

You see, you haven't even looked at the data that is available to you
so you are hardly in a position to state that the data does not support
the possibility that Alonso alledges.

Your beliefs appear based on prejudice.

Don't feed the trolls!
Blago.

PS. you need a spell and grammar checker.


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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-18-2007 , 05:12 AM



In article <4625e4a6_3 (AT) x-privat (DOT) org>, blag (AT) ovist (DOT) com says...


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Don't feed the trolls!
Blago.

Boy. You're goin' hungry then, eh?


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PS. you need a spell and grammar checker.

You need a clue.

--
Dave


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- Australian Prime Minister John Howard showing
compassion for refugees... an "Australian Value"


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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-18-2007 , 08:35 AM



On Apr 18, 5:13 am, "Bigbird" <bigbird.use... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
TonyMi... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
On Apr 17, 4:18 pm, "Prof Pain" <Prof P... (AT) nspamiuygjhgjh (DOT) org> wrote:
"Silent Observer" <harrynos... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message

news:YLSdnZFdBo_iZrnbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...

Seems like the 2x champ is coming up with excuses why his rookie
team mate did better than him this last Sunday.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58178

What makes you think that this is not true?

There isn't any data supporting Alonso's claim. And as we all know
everything is in the telemetry. If Alonso was suffering from reduced
grip or anything car related it would show up in the telemetry. Until
is see data supporting Alonso's claim, I'm of the belief that Hamilton
Out-performed him

So McLaren share all their data with you? You never told us that before.

I know you'd like to think the telemetry would simply flash up
"Fernando you're driving is crap today" but it doesn't work like that.
The data may tell them what is happening but not why.

For example in your video game it may say "add more front wing" but IRL
that is a more personal choice.

It is possible for someone to be faster than Alonso, No? But by
reading some of the post here you would think that the great Alonso
can never be out-driven. Alonso will soon run out of excuses. I
predicted that Hamilton would be able to out qualify Alonso by the 8th
race. Hamilton did it within 3.

Hamilton did not outperform Alonso simply because he was a better
driver on the day. Only a very naive fool would believe that.

Before making a judgemnet What an intelligent person might look at was
whether the race performances were consistent with performances
throughout the weekend. Though inconclusive there does appear to be a
performance drop off from Q3 onwards.

He might also ask why any problem caused by the accident wasn't picked
up, or more done to correct it, in Q3.

You see, you haven't even looked at the data that is available to you
so you are hardly in a position to state that the data does not support
the possibility that Alonso alledges.

Your beliefs appear based on prejudice.

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Again, where is the DATA? If a driver is slow because of a fault with
the car a team like McLaren will always find out why, and report
accordingly (they live for that stuff). I can't tell you the amount
of times that a car was mysteriously slow and was believed to be the
drivers fault, only to find out later (by the engineers) that there
was indeed a problem with the car. In this case the team isn't
backing up Alonso on this. Any Idea why? Until the team backs up
Alonso's statement, then all he is doing is running his mouth.

It seems strange to me, that the only person claiming that it was the
light-pod falling on the car that caused the car to be slower is
Alonso. The only information I need is what the team engineers
have to say (they've said nothing as of yet) and the results (Hamilton
was faster in every session/race). Prejudice or no prejudice my
observation is that Alonso was out driven at Bahrain. Look at the
results

Alonso at least had the light-pod to blame this time. What is he going
to blame it on the next time? Or is he going to out-drive Lewis
Hamilton for the rest of the races this year?




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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-18-2007 , 08:45 AM



On Apr 18, 5:13 am, "Bigbird" <bigbird.use... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
TonyMi... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
On Apr 17, 4:18 pm, "Prof Pain" <Prof P... (AT) nspamiuygjhgjh (DOT) org> wrote:
"Silent Observer" <harrynos... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message

news:YLSdnZFdBo_iZrnbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...

What makes you think that this is not true?

There isn't any data supporting Alonso's claim. And as we all know
everything is in the telemetry. If Alonso was suffering from reduced
grip or anything car related it would show up in the telemetry. Until
is see data supporting Alonso's claim, I'm of the belief that Hamilton
Out-performed him

So McLaren share all their data with you? You never told us that before.
They dont have to. Their silence on this matter speaks volumes.


Quote:
I know you'd like to think the telemetry would simply flash up
"Fernando you're driving is crap today" but it doesn't work like that.
The data may tell them what is happening but not why.

For example in your video game it may say "add more front wing" but IRL
that is a more personal choice.
Personal choice is correct, but obviously that personal choice wasn't
the best choice. Alonso wasn't able to adapt as fast as Hamilton.

Quote:
You see, you haven't even looked at the data that is available to you
so you are hardly in a position to state that the data does not support
the possibility that Alonso alledges.

Your beliefs appear based on prejudice.

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Again, where is the DATA? If a driver is slow because of a fault with
the car the team will always find out why, and report accordingly. I
can't tell you the amount of times that a car was mysteriously slow
and was believed to be the drivers fault, only to find out later (by
the engineers) that there was indeed a problem with the car. In
this case the team isn't backing up Alonso on this. Any Idea why?
Until the team backs up Alonso's statement, then all he is doing is
running his mouth.

It seems strange to me, that the only person claiming that it was the
light-pod falling on the car that caused the car to be slow is
Alonso. All we have to go by is what the team engineers say
(they've said nothing as of yet) and the results (Hamilton was faster
in every session/race). Prejudice or no prejudice my observation is
that Alonso was out driven at Bahrain. The results also back my
observation.

Alonso at least had the light-pod to blame this time. What is he going
to blame it on the next time? Or is he going to out-drive Lewis
Hamilton for the rest of the races this year?






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Default Re: Excuses? - 04-18-2007 , 11:27 AM



TonyMitch (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 18, 5:13 am, "Bigbird" <bigbird.use... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
TonyMi... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
On Apr 17, 4:18 pm, "Prof Pain" <Prof P... (AT) nspamiuygjhgjh (DOT) org> wrote:
"Silent Observer" <harrynos... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:YLSdnZFdBo_iZrnbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...
What makes you think that this is not true?
There isn't any data supporting Alonso's claim. And as we all know
everything is in the telemetry. If Alonso was suffering from reduced
grip or anything car related it would show up in the telemetry. Until
is see data supporting Alonso's claim, I'm of the belief that Hamilton
Out-performed him
So McLaren share all their data with you? You never told us that before.

They dont have to. Their silence on this matter speaks volumes.


I know you'd like to think the telemetry would simply flash up
"Fernando you're driving is crap today" but it doesn't work like that.
The data may tell them what is happening but not why.

For example in your video game it may say "add more front wing" but IRL
that is a more personal choice.

Personal choice is correct, but obviously that personal choice wasn't
the best choice. Alonso wasn't able to adapt as fast as Hamilton.

You see, you haven't even looked at the data that is available to you
so you are hardly in a position to state that the data does not support
the possibility that Alonso alledges.

Your beliefs appear based on prejudice.

--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Again, where is the DATA? If a driver is slow because of a fault with
the car the team will always find out why, and report accordingly. I
can't tell you the amount of times that a car was mysteriously slow
and was believed to be the drivers fault, only to find out later (by
the engineers) that there was indeed a problem with the car. In
this case the team isn't backing up Alonso on this. Any Idea why?
Until the team backs up Alonso's statement, then all he is doing is
running his mouth.

It seems strange to me, that the only person claiming that it was the
light-pod falling on the car that caused the car to be slow is
Alonso. All we have to go by is what the team engineers say
(they've said nothing as of yet) and the results (Hamilton was faster
in every session/race). Prejudice or no prejudice my observation is
that Alonso was out driven at Bahrain. The results also back my
observation.

Alonso at least had the light-pod to blame this time. What is he going
to blame it on the next time? Or is he going to out-drive Lewis
Hamilton for the rest of the races this year?
Probably.


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