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F1 and Global Warming
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Re: F1 and Global Warming -
02-03-2007
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Wind power - so everyone is going to have a 50m tall turbine in their backyard?? |
electricity, and that the makers claim will save me money on my electric
bill:
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/na...=1170529152810
Admittedly 1kW isn't much (and I have no real idea how much electricity
is required to generate hydrogen in any quantity, have you?), but I saw
a guy on Dragon's Den who was trying to get investment in a very high
ratio gearbox, that he said would make wind turbines much more
attractive - they didn't get it at all, but no doubt someone will pick
it up.
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As far as solar, they have been trying to come up with more efficient solar cells for DECADES - and there is massive incentive to produce more efficient solar cells. Perhaps the failure suggests that it really isn't possible? There are limits to technology, you know. |
article on Slashdot saying they'd broken the efficiency record, again.
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Phil
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Restricting F1 to hydrogen fuel would be a start. Hydrogen has less volumetric energy density than hydrocarbon fuels, presenting F1 designers with packaging challenges. In addition. some of the hundreds of millions presently spent on design features with little relevance to transportation of people and goods would go toward improved fuel storage, combustion management and refueling hardware. BMW is currently offering H2 fuel options on a small number of series 7 sedans, using liquid H2 fuel. Other options such as high-pressure storage and chemical storage in a metal hydride matrix would be engineering options for F1 design teams. The exhaust from H2-fueled engines is free from greenhouse gases such as CO2 and pollutants like CO. There are oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust but a significantly reduced concentrations. Clearly the genius of present F1 design teams with the immense financial backing of auto manufacturers would be well-employed in such endeavors. |
from race to race.
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Ian Dalziel wrote: On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:05:10 -0500, "duane butherus" duaneb (AT) ptdprolog (DOT) net> wrote: [snipped for brevity] And how do you collect all this nice clean hydrogen? Water? As Phil says, it isn't going to be easy but one is fairly certain that if there was the incentive (money) one would find a solution. Probably impractical in any initial stages but technological advancement makes all things possible, eventually. I don't the the Wright Brothers realised what would happen with their little flying vehicle, from 12 seconds to 12 hours in 50 or so years. Cheers Geoff |
production, the first operational US jet fighter. I can only imagine
what he must have thought.
Bill Smith
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Phil Newnham wrote: Ian Dalziel wrote: And how do you collect all this nice clean hydrogen? Solar power? Wind power? If you solve the storage problem, you could generate your own hydrogen in your back garden, store it in a tank and only need to visit a fuel station when you're short of fuel away from home. I think Honda already have a home refuelling station that runs off mains electricity; converting it to renewable power is just a case of applying a suitable amount of cash. Neither solar power or wind power are efficient enough for what you suggest, and they are also prohibitively expensive. This is the problem. People who don't understand the technologies think that the solution is simple without being aware of the barriers. |
him.
Relatively simple equations illustrate to any sentient being, higher
up on the Binet-Simon scale than a beagle, what the area of solar
cells or scale of a wind-powered generator must be to drive the best
world hypothetical H2 car 100km, but good ol' Phil's full on-board to
install them in every backyard and shed roof.
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"...Luigi follow only the Ferraris."
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duane butherus wrote: Restricting F1 to hydrogen fuel would be a start. Hydrogen has less volumetric energy density than hydrocarbon fuels, presenting F1 designers with packaging challenges. In addition. some of the hundreds of millions presently spent on design features with little relevance to transportation of people and goods would go toward improved fuel storage, combustion management and refueling hardware. BMW is currently offering H2 fuel options on a small number of series 7 sedans, using liquid H2 fuel. Other options such as high-pressure storage and chemical storage in a metal hydride matrix would be engineering options for F1 design teams. The exhaust from H2-fueled engines is free from greenhouse gases such as CO2 and pollutants like CO. There are oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust but a significantly reduced concentrations. Clearly the genius of present F1 design teams with the immense financial backing of auto manufacturers would be well-employed in such endeavors. With the added bonus that crashes should be even more spectacular than they are now! |
boneheads.
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Restricting F1 to hydrogen fuel would be a start. Hydrogen has less volumetric energy density than hydrocarbon fuels, presenting F1 designers with packaging challenges. In addition. some of the hundreds of millions presently spent on design features with little relevance to transportation of people and goods would go toward improved fuel storage, combustion management and refueling hardware. BMW is currently offering H2 fuel options on a small number of series 7 sedans, using liquid H2 fuel. Other options such as high-pressure storage and chemical storage in a metal hydride matrix would be engineering options for F1 design teams. The exhaust from H2-fueled engines is free from greenhouse gases such as CO2 and pollutants like CO. There are oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust but a significantly reduced concentrations. Clearly the genius of present F1 design teams with the immense financial backing of auto manufacturers would be well-employed in such endeavors. |
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As far as solar, they have been trying to come up with more efficient solar cells for DECADES - and there is massive incentive to produce more efficient solar cells. Perhaps the failure suggests that it really isn't possible? There are limits to technology, you know. It won't be photo voltaics that are used for H2 generation Mark.. |
Try googling for solar furnace technology instead.. I believe they
currently decompose methane at around 1700C over a variety of catalysts.
The ultimate aim is to disassociate water directly to H2 and O2. Much
progress is being made in this field. As Phil said elsewhere, the fact
that the ultimate power source is variable doesn't matter if you can
make sufficient H2 when the sun is shining.
Tony.
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Relatively simple equations illustrate to any sentient being, higher up on the Binet-Simon scale than a beagle, what the area of solar cells or scale of a wind-powered generator must be to drive the best world hypothetical H2 car 100km, but good ol' Phil's full on-board to install them in every backyard and shed roof. |
you need to make enough hydrogen to power a car for 100km? Since it's so
effortlessly simple to work out, you should be able to reproduce it in 5
minutes. No? Here come the excuses...
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Phil
http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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In article <45c4d886$0$24751$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>, mark (AT) eliminatespam (DOT) com says... As far as solar, they have been trying to come up with more efficient solar cells for DECADES - and there is massive incentive to produce more efficient solar cells. Perhaps the failure suggests that it really isn't possible? There are limits to technology, you know. It won't be photo voltaics that are used for H2 generation Mark.. Try googling for solar furnace technology instead.. I believe they currently decompose methane at around 1700C over a variety of catalysts. The ultimate aim is to disassociate water directly to H2 and O2. Much progress is being made in this field. As Phil said elsewhere, the fact that the ultimate power source is variable doesn't matter if you can make sufficient H2 when the sun is shining. |
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http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Restricting F1 to hydrogen fuel would be a start. |
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The exhaust from H2-fueled engines is free from greenhouse gases such as CO2 and pollutants like CO. There are oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust but a significantly reduced concentrations. |
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Trivia time, and no peeking on a search engine: 'The "greenhouse effect"
works like a greenhouse'. True or false?
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