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Flexi-floors rumbles on
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Re: Flexi-floors rumbles on -
05-01-2007
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Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in news:59ne5bF2inskpU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net: CatharticF1 wrote: Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in news:59lsa5F2kubrqU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net: I'm not sure quite how your moving weight works - it seems like it's able to slide in the opposite direction to its own momentum - backwards when braking, instead of forwards, to the right when turning right. Is it a magic weight or are you moving it with a mechanism? I'm suggesting a theoretical mechanism that moves the weight from side to side or front to rear - to move the weight to improve the performance of the car. I'd consider the weight involved ballast. What you appear to be considering is a device that moves to oppose the weight transfer of the car, and this would have to be powered, because the weight isn't going to move in the directions you describe by itself. This is illegal because its primary purpose is to affect the suspension performance (in keeping the wheels firmly attached to the road, which is what the suspension is for). 10.2.2 Any powered device which is capable of altering the configuration or affecting the performance of any part of the suspension system is forbidden. And if that weight shift were driven by the suspension movement? And the ballast fixed in place using tools? If you've got the best part of 100kg sitting on the floor you don't need to move it far to get a benefit. |
not sure why you're bothering to make this highly hypothetical point -
certainly I can't see how imagining something that works differently to
a TMD and then deciding if that's illegal or not helps us work out if
the TMD was illegal or not.
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4.2 Ballast: Ballast can be used provided it is secured in such a way that tools are required for its removal. It must be possible to fix seals if deemed necessary by the FIA technical delegate. Do you think that a TMD was likely to be fixed in a way that tools were required for its removal? We're talking about the whole device here, because there is no way you could remove the weight from inside without tools. I'm not sure I get your point on mentioning this regulation..? I do think you'd need tools to remove either the unit or the weight, yes. I mention this regulation because it is the only regulation regarding ballast. There is no rule that states that moveable ballast isn't allowed in the words you choose to use, only the one I quoted. It sounds like you agree that the TMD is not against this rule. It may be - the rule looks like it's completely useless as you've presented it. I suspect that there must have been other clarifications issued. |
pointed out, is designed to prevent the use of fluids as ballast, and
designed to stop the teams using something as ballast that can be
surreptitiously removed and replaced between weigh ins so as to run the
car underweight. It does that job marvellously. It is not designed to
legislate against TMDs and that is quite clearly why they don't fall
foul of it.
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In message <MPG.209f1fd652e381b198983d (AT) news (DOT) plus.net>, Tony Gartshore me (AT) none (DOT) com> writes In article <87r6q3dkaj.fsf (AT) nonospaz (DOT) fatphil.org>, thefatphil_demunged (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk says... I It does not make furthermore superfluous at all. If you don't understand the function of that word in that context, then it's not surprising you're getting the wrong end of the stick when you read it. Phil Are you three in training to be lawyers? Nah, I qualified 15 years ago. :-) |
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Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <MPG.209f1fd652e381b198983d (AT) news (DOT) plus.net>, Tony Gartshore me (AT) none (DOT) com> writes In article <87r6q3dkaj.fsf (AT) nonospaz (DOT) fatphil.org>, thefatphil_demunged (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk says... I It does not make furthermore superfluous at all. If you don't understand the function of that word in that context, then it's not surprising you're getting the wrong end of the stick when you read it. Phil Are you three in training to be lawyers? Nah, I qualified 15 years ago. :-) Newbie!! LLB 1977. :-) |
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Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <MPG.209f1fd652e381b198983d (AT) news (DOT) plus.net>, Tony Gartshore me (AT) none (DOT) com> writes Are you three in training to be lawyers? Nah, I qualified 15 years ago. :-) Newbie!! LLB 1977. :-) |
What about you?
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Jeff York wrote: Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <MPG.209f1fd652e381b198983d (AT) news (DOT) plus.net>, Tony Gartshore me (AT) none (DOT) com> writes In article <87r6q3dkaj.fsf (AT) nonospaz (DOT) fatphil.org>, thefatphil_demunged (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk says... I It does not make furthermore superfluous at all. If you don't understand the function of that word in that context, then it's not surprising you're getting the wrong end of the stick when you read it. Phil Are you three in training to be lawyers? Nah, I qualified 15 years ago. :-) Newbie!! LLB 1977. :-) Guildford? |
used to do short (6 month) courses leading up to the post-LLB
professional (Law Society) exams for solicitors.
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In message <jafe33pbgdh6diatm6s5h1a3mqnpn241an (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Jeff York ralf4 (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> writes Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <MPG.209f1fd652e381b198983d (AT) news (DOT) plus.net>, Tony Gartshore me (AT) none (DOT) com> writes Are you three in training to be lawyers? Nah, I qualified 15 years ago. :-) Newbie!! LLB 1977. :-) Southampton and then Guildford. What about you? |
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