In message <xn0f50rvo4dkef1013 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net>, Bigbird
<bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes
Yes, there was one point when he was holding off Kimi in Sepang that I
thought he was getting a little close to a penalty for blocking. That
start in Bahrain included rather more moves than it should - I think I
recall that even Martin commented on it at the time. He does need to
watch his step on this front - it is the one significant criticism that
can be made of him so far.

But it still didn't look as dangerous as a Schumi chop.
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Richard Miller

CatharticF1 wrote:

I don't think they're going to enforce any blocking rules at the start. Nor
should they. Blocking rules are not appropriate in F1.

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Frank....H

"Frank....H" <askme (AT) for (DOT) it> wrote in news:f05qa1$ne4$1 (AT) uwm (DOT) edu:

Well I agree with you insofar as it *shouldn't* be necessary but I can
certainly conceive driver actions that would force their hand. Hamilton's
movements on Sunday were heading towards that even if you may argue they
weren't quite there yet.

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CatharticF1

"What you thought was Freedom is just Greed."

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:28 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
wrote:

Pining already for the good old days of the Schumacher chop, are
we...?

David

DC <gojphNOJUNKTA (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:fgtd239vc3fsbk49nevl28b4ect6nf73k8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Yes..

Back in my day drivers just moved once - not this dancing about 'keep away
from me' new-fangled thing.

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CatharticF1

"What you thought was Freedom is just Greed."

On 18 Apr 2007 23:47:55 GMT, "Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

I suspect most people wouldn't want to see a driver break the rules?

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Ian D

On Apr 19, 6:28 am, CatharticF1 <eferr... (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote:
Doesn't some of that have something to do with the fact that the
current cars are incredibly stable and responsive even during a
hamilton wiggle? "Back in your days" the lack of grip that would
arise from such rapid movements would have likely caused a fundamental
lack of grip that wouldn't have allowed for the car to brake into the
first corner with any degree of precision or safety. Now the cars are
so glued to the track and so stable that these wiggles are do-able
without much risk.

Matt

CatharticF1 wrote:
I like the chop. It's like saying "FUCK YOU!" with an F1 car. :-)

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forty

“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”

On 19 Apr 2007 09:14:29 GMT, "Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Just a suggestion that penalties should be applied in accordance with
the rules rather than in accordance with what most people would want
to see.

Idealistic and unrealistic, I suppose...

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Ian D

Bigbird wrote:
Art 16 of the sporting regs appears to be the only candidate:

16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving
one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or
noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the
above, any incidents involving more
than one car will normally be investigated after the race.
16.2 a) It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a
report or a request by the race director,
if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.
b) If an incident is under investigation by the stewards a message
informing all teams which driver or
drivers are involved will be displayed on the timing monitors.
Provided that such a message is displayed no later than five minutes
after the race has finished the
driver or drivers concerned may not leave the circuit without the
consent of the stewards.
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver
involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and
re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop
at his pit for at least ten seconds
and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed
during the last five laps, or after
the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds
will be added to the elapsed race time
of the driver concerned.
16.4 Should the stewards decide to impose either of the penalties under
Article 16.3a) or b), the following
procedure will be followed :
a) The stewards will give written notification of the penalty which has
been imposed to an official of the
team concerned and will ensure that this information is also displayed
on the timing monitors.
b) From the time the stewards’ decision is notified on the timing
monitors the relevant driver may cover
no more than three complete laps before entering the pit lane and, in
the case of a penalty under
Article 16.3b), proceeding to his garage where he shall remain for the
period of the time penalty.
2007 F1 Sporting Regulations 8 of 39 5th March 2007
However, unless the driver was already in the pit entry for the purpose
of serving his penalty, he may
not carry out the penalty after the Safety Car has been deployed. Any
laps carried out behind the
Safety Car will be added to the three lap maximum.
Whilst a car is stationary in the pit lane as a result of incurring a
time penalty it may not be worked on.
However, if the engine stops it may be started after the time penalty
period has elapsed.
c) When the time penalty period has elapsed the driver may rejoin the race.
d) Any breach or failure to comply with Articles 16.4b) or c) may result
in the car being excluded.

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Phil

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