Highly OT, but the party's over

#81

Oh, and why is the least popular server on the internet Windows?
The most popular by machine being linux and by hits is Sun?
Hmmm, I wonder.

beers,
build

#82

On 10 Nov 2009 10:02:40 GMT, "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

I'm running Windows 7 on my main PC, I love it and will be installing
it at some of my clients, but if you are going to be running a basic
workstation with Microsoft Office Suite alternatives and maybe a few
other pieces of software Ubuntu is a viable, free alternative.
Certainly my users love it.

Sorry to hijack again, but can 7 upgrade from XP and Vista directly

and if so, what are the chances of it becoming a three headed
haemorrhoid, as previous upgrades used to do(as opposed to clean
installs) ?

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Regards, Frank

#83

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:52:13 -0000, "For Sure" <fs@y.z> wrote:

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...apart from the upgrades. Karmic Koala is causing more fiddling from what
I hear.

Sure. Blame the Aussie, you pricks..

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Regards, Frank

#84

On Nov 10, 9:37*pm, Frank Adam <f... (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> wrote:

Quote:

Sorry to hijack again, but can 7 upgrade from XP and Vista directly
and if so, what are the chances of it becoming a three headed
haemorrhoid, as previous upgrades used to do(as opposed to clean
installs) ? *

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Regards, Frank

Short answer, No.
Long answers = www.google.com "uprade from XP to Windows 7"
Oh.
From Vista, yes.
However, 20 years of upgrading tells me to never, ever upgrade. Always
clear install.
If you look around you'll find out how to setup a system so that it
can be clean installed without losing your data or settings.

build

#85

"build" <buildy (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Nov 10, 8:45 pm, "For Sure" <f...@y.z> wrote:

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Even our resident Linux expert at work spends hours constantly updating
the
servers we have whereas it is more or less automatic on the Windows
servers
(which we've never had a problem with in years).

Well, you gave away the bullshit there. My business runs many hundreds
of servers of varying sorts, the simple economics of maintenance

requires almost all to be linux. The Windows servers are almost
intolerable, the updates take hours and always require rebooting and
tweeks, they are down for a minimum of hours and sometimes days.
Remote access is fraught with security problems. On the other hand a
simple and remote "apt-get update" and a few seconds later, with no
tweeks the linux server is updated, no reboot or tweeks required.

That's not been my experience, if it was that simple you wouldn't need any
IT support people.

Quote:

Perhaps I could provide your employer with a reliable network? or
perhaps your employer needs new linux experts.

Maybe. Personally I think upgrading too often (or perhaps too soon) can
cause more problems, but then again postponing it can cause it to be a
bigger job when you eventually bite the bullet.

FS

#86

Frank Adam wrote:

Quote:

On 10 Nov 2009 10:02:40 GMT, "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote:

I'm running Windows 7 on my main PC, I love it and will be
installing it at some of my clients, but if you are going to be
running a basic workstation with Microsoft Office Suite
alternatives and maybe a few other pieces of software Ubuntu is a
viable, free alternative. Certainly my users love it.

Sorry to hijack again, but can 7 upgrade from XP and Vista directly
and if so, what are the chances of it becoming a three headed
haemorrhoid, as previous upgrades used to do(as opposed to clean
installs) ?

No. IMO it's always better to do a clean install, anyway. However there
are a couple of other options open. You can install Win 7 to dual-boot
with your XP, which is easy to set up.

If you install Win 7 on the same drive the setup program will,
supposedly, save all your old data etc. into a folder on your root
drive.

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Paul-B

#87

In article <op.u20zuwu8h6mygt@david-desktop>,
David Melville <davidmelville (AT) exemail (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Quote:

KDE or GNOME ?

twm

Or if you insist on being new school, FVWM

#88

On Nov 10, 10:20*pm, "For Sure" <f...@y.z> wrote:

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That's not been my experience, if it was that simple you wouldn't need any
IT support people.

Well, while I'd like none we do still require a few, too many.
Remember we provide fixed price networks so the target is as few
support calls as possible and as little training as we can get away
with. It's a simple formula and is proving very popular.

Quote:

Perhaps I could provide your employer with a reliable network? or

perhaps your employer needs new linux experts.

I was the employer and still hold shares, they, the geeks are the best
and are paid as such because they made me wealthier. If you are in
Aust contact me, we can reduce the cost of your IT infrastructure
dramatically.

Quote:

Maybe. Personally I think upgrading too often (or perhaps too soon) can
cause more problems, but then again postponing it can cause it to be a
bigger job when you eventually bite the bullet.

Tis not that simple, so true and false. Upgrading is never a good
idea. Clean installing a newer OS can reap benefits but needs
evaluation.

Quote:

FS

beers,
build

#89

On 11/10/09 01:02, CatharticF1 wrote:

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Maybe it's not the OS as such, but all of the things you do with your PC.
Email, newsreaders, browsers, text editors, word processors and
spreadsheets, games, audio / video / image editing and conversion, backup
solutions, syncing your devices, remotely accessing my PC from work (we
don't allow remote desktop..) and so many other things that you may find
you can't get or don't like the implementation of.

It all costs time and in many cases isn't possible or to the same quality
you want.

that may have been true 3 or 4 years ago but not now.

email - Thunderbird no problem there
news reader thunderbird, no problem there
Browser - Firefox No problem there
Tex editors - too many to mention
Word processors - Open Office No problem there
Spreadsheets - Open Office No problems there
Games- not my thing but there are some good ones
Backup solutions - Too many to mention
Video editing is a bit weak at the moment
Graphics - GIMP no problem there
Audio - Many options

& in most distros all are either installed as standard or easily added.