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Da Frank
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-02-2005 , 09:46 PM






On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:59:59 +0100, DC <gojphNOJUNKTA (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
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Good chance we might get back to Queensland late next year. You up for
another drink/meal? Don't suppose you're still in touch with Geoff so
that we can get you in a pincer movement again...?

Ah-oh. Another Pom lining up our country for retirement. Soon everyone
will speak English here ! ;-)

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Regards, Frank


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Vittorio Janus
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-03-2005 , 05:17 PM






On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:46:05 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
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I even heard of a technique
allegedly used by sprinters whereby they took blood donor sized samples
of blood from athletes over a period of a year, say, and then used a
machine similar to a dialysis machine to replace "tired" blood from the
athlete's body with 100% oxygenated blood, originally from the same
athlete!
Not quite. The technique was to take a decent size quantity of blood
from the athlete about a month or so before the event and then put it
back immediately before the race. The idea was to give the athlete
around 10%-15% extra oxygen carrying ability for a short period (a few
days or so).

One doesn't hear of it any more - I suspect that it's because it
doesn't work but does anyone know for sure?

Regards,
vj


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Vittorio Janus
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-03-2005 , 05:36 PM



On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:53:43 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
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As do I - and at least most of them had the good grace to be fair minded
about Austria 2002.

There was no reason for them not to be. Team orders have been a part
of motor racing since the year dot, and they still are. Mostly, the
orders are perfectly reasonable and understandable by Joe Public.

For example, do you remember the outcry when DC moved over for Mika
Hakkinen? No, because there wasn't one, not even from the British
press, because it was reasonable and understandable. To be honest, the
only un-reasonable, non-understandable Team Order that I can recall
was Austria 2002. And I can remember back before pit-to-driver
radios...

Regards,
vj


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David Melville
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-03-2005 , 08:58 PM



In article <m94kh1tplqdo8j9hrnbgla14q67rctc446 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
vittorio.janus (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com says...
Quote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:46:05 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
wrote:

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I even heard of a technique
allegedly used by sprinters whereby they took blood donor sized samples
of blood from athletes over a period of a year, say, and then used a
machine similar to a dialysis machine to replace "tired" blood from the
athlete's body with 100% oxygenated blood, originally from the same
athlete!

Not quite. The technique was to take a decent size quantity of blood
from the athlete about a month or so before the event and then put it
back immediately before the race. The idea was to give the athlete
around 10%-15% extra oxygen carrying ability for a short period (a few
days or so).

One doesn't hear of it any more - I suspect that it's because it
doesn't work but does anyone know for sure?

Regards,
vj

I can't see why it shouldn't work. AFL footballers were doing the same
here, and my father, an anaesthetist (anaesthesiologist for you over-
the-ponders), regularly had the same procedure performed on ICU or high-
risk patients, who were expected to require a lot of blood, peri- or
post-operatively.

I believe the AFL powers that be stopped the practise (for footballers
anyway!).

Dave.


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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-03-2005 , 10:20 PM



Vittorio Janus wrote:
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:46:05 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
wrote:

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I even heard of a technique
allegedly used by sprinters whereby they took blood donor sized samples
of blood from athletes over a period of a year, say, and then used a
machine similar to a dialysis machine to replace "tired" blood from the
athlete's body with 100% oxygenated blood, originally from the same
athlete!


Not quite. The technique was to take a decent size quantity of blood
from the athlete about a month or so before the event and then put it
back immediately before the race. The idea was to give the athlete
around 10%-15% extra oxygen carrying ability for a short period (a few
days or so).
Well, IANA doctor so I'm not surprised I remembered it wrong!

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DC
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-04-2005 , 05:29 PM



On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:46:08 +1000, fajp (AT) ooptushome (DOT) com.au (Da Frank)
wrote:

Quote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:59:59 +0100, DC <gojphNOJUNKTA (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:

Good chance we might get back to Queensland late next year. You up for
another drink/meal? Don't suppose you're still in touch with Geoff so
that we can get you in a pincer movement again...?

Ah-oh. Another Pom lining up our country for retirement. Soon everyone
will speak English here ! ;-)
Nah, mate. Just another flying visit. The second, and possibly the
last. But we're looking forward to it, even if I have to bone up on
the cricket to rub ya noses in it...

David


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Mark Jones
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-05-2005 , 12:21 AM



On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:36:28 +0100, Vittorio Janus
<vittorio.janus (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:53:43 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net
wrote:
As do I - and at least most of them had the good grace to be fair minded
about Austria 2002.

There was no reason for them not to be. Team orders have been a part
of motor racing since the year dot, and they still are. Mostly, the
orders are perfectly reasonable and understandable by Joe Public.

For example, do you remember the outcry when DC moved over for Mika
Hakkinen? No, because there wasn't one, not even from the British
press, because it was reasonable and understandable.
Uh, no it wasn't. I remember reading articles muttering about team
orders and driver arrangements after that one. I also remember DC
talking about being hassled by a cabbie who had apparently bet on him
to win.

Quote:
To be honest, the
only un-reasonable, non-understandable Team Order that I can recall
was Austria 2002. And I can remember back before pit-to-driver
radios...
It's not *that* unreasonable and non-understandable. Ferrari wanted
to ensure their drivers championship.

- Jones
FORZA!


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CatharticF1
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-05-2005 , 02:28 AM



<snip>
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Of course. They are always 100% ethical and their word must never be
doubted.

See, I can do it too...

Tell the truth you mean? Well sure - it is novel.. but I always believed
in you enough to think that one day it would be possible.

;-7


Ah, bollix to ya. At least I know you don't take everything literally
like the blind Kiwi...

Good chance we might get back to Queensland late next year. You up for
another drink/meal? Don't suppose you're still in touch with Geoff so
that we can get you in a pincer movement again...?

David

Sorry for the delay - moved on the weekend and no phone even there yet..

I'd definitely be up for a chat David. No idea about Geoff - but then he
just folded under the weight of Ferrari anyway...

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DC
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-05-2005 , 03:57 AM



On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 06:28:41 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:
snip
Of course. They are always 100% ethical and their word must never be
doubted.

See, I can do it too...

Tell the truth you mean? Well sure - it is novel.. but I always believed
in you enough to think that one day it would be possible.

;-7


Ah, bollix to ya. At least I know you don't take everything literally
like the blind Kiwi...

Good chance we might get back to Queensland late next year. You up for
another drink/meal? Don't suppose you're still in touch with Geoff so
that we can get you in a pincer movement again...?

Sorry for the delay - moved on the weekend and no phone even there yet..
No probs.

Quote:
I'd definitely be up for a chat David.
I'll email you next year then, when our pans are more definite. Your
address still at pandemicstudios.com.au?

Quote:
No idea about Geoff - but then he
just folded under the weight of Ferrari anyway...
As if...

David


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CatharticF1
 
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Default Re: LOL Another Jean Todt! - 09-05-2005 , 10:37 PM



DC wrote:

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I'll email you next year then, when our pans are more definite. Your
address still at pandemicstudios.com.au?
No - I am no more.. Ping me here with enough notice. I think I still
have your email address at home - I'l try to remember to email you.



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