http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/4194266.stm

Great liar just like little shit Todt !!

"Weird Al" <weird (AT) no (DOT) fuss.com> wrote in newsGaRe.1301$w4.114@newsfe7-
win.ntli.net:

The difference - and I willingly accept that you are weird - is that
Ferrari don't lie about Team Orders when they use them.

But some other teams do.

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CatharticF1

'What you thought was freedom is just greed'

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:20:25 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
wrote:

Of course. They are always 100% ethical and their word must never be
doubted.

See, I can do it too...

David

CatharticF1 wrote:

Can you provide an attributable source for that? Or is it just
something you belleive?


Indubitably! To a greater or lesser extent I believe that *all* teams
do.

--
Paul-B... the original and the best!

Paul-B wrote:
So without hard evidence, you will believe that all F1 teams use team
orders, and lie about it, but faced with a similar situation (hard
evidence concerning one team only) you refuse to contemplate the idea
that all teams, to a greater or lesser extent, in the Tour de France,
use performance enhancing drugs, and lie about it?

Just a posit, btw, not a personally held opinion.

--
Phil

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

Phil Newnham wrote:

Possibly... I really don't know enough about the Tour de France, what I
*do* know is the published results of the countless drug-tests which
have been carried out on Lance Armstrong and *all* of which have been
negative, so it's not really a case of "belief" (unless I then have to
believe that every test has been wrong).

Whereas in F1 I know enough about the history of it to enable me to
make a pretty good guess about team orders. And I certainly believe
that every team has a worked-out strategy which allows for just about
every conceivable instance and which "guides" their drivers in the
direction the team would wish.

Nothing more than that, really.

--
Paul-B... the original and the best!

Paul-B wrote:
What little I know about the history of sport leads me to believe that
the testers are never closer than a step behind the abusers. I really
want to believe that Armstrong is innocent, and I love the Tour, but
there is no way to know for 100% sure, beyond simply taking him at his
word, that he's not doing naughty things. I even heard of a technique
allegedly used by sprinters whereby they took blood donor sized samples
of blood from athletes over a period of a year, say, and then used a
machine similar to a dialysis machine to replace "tired" blood from the
athlete's body with 100% oxygenated blood, originally from the same
athlete! I guess that would not make any difference on a Tour de France
cyclist but it illustrates the lengths people will go to, to boost
performance undetectably. EPO, nandrolone, testosterone, HGH, etc, etc,
etc, have all been tried, successfully or not, and who knows what drugs
or synthetic hormones are in use now that we won't know about for a
couple or 3 more years?

I agree with you there.

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Phil

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

"Paul-B" <paul (AT) null (DOT) invalid.com> wrote in news:3nlma7F24cnsU1
@individual.net:

It's based on the observation that as they have owned up to situations
that have been painted as the worst that could be done it stands to
reason that in other cases - why cover it up?

As do I - and at least most of them had the good grace to be fair minded
about Austria 2002.




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CatharticF1

'What you thought was freedom is just greed'

DC <gojphNOJUNKTA (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:22uah1t5dlg4h8h56copdo79g3k0d2roo6 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Tell the truth you mean? Well sure - it is novel.. but I always believed
in you enough to think that one day it would be possible.

;-7


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CatharticF1

'What you thought was freedom is just greed'

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:54:38 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
wrote:

Ah, bollix to ya. At least I know you don't take everything literally
like the blind Kiwi...

Good chance we might get back to Queensland late next year. You up for
another drink/meal? Don't suppose you're still in touch with Geoff so
that we can get you in a pincer movement again...?

David