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Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro
 
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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 12:48 PM






Goldrusher <goldrusherREMOVETHIS (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote:
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If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
sport in the future.

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engines
- 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
Mandated V-angle ? Or will we see again 120º engines ?

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- running on biodiesel fuels
Higher octane rating = higher compression, higher boost or both.
That is nice (and they can say F1 will be carbon-neutral *).

* only the race cars, obviously.

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- 770bhp
Controlled how ? Intake restrictor ? I would like to see a fuel-rate
limiter, but I doubt that will happen. Since there will be a power-boost
button, I suppose there will be a boost limit and that will solely control
the power.

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- restricted to 10,000rpm
- have to last 5 races
No minimum weight ?

This is actually not too bad an idea for the engine rules. Less cylinders
= less cost. With the turbo that relatively low amount of power should not
be difficult to reach. And the 10,000rpm makes it more like normal engines,
so there migt be some relevance to car buyers.

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other
- kinetic energy recovery system
Ok.

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- traction-control
Well, that is too hard to forbid, I suppose...

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- four-wheel-drive
My first thought was "What ? That doesn't make much sense." But then I
noticed that this integrates with the "kinetic energy recovery system".
That is, electrical brakes on the front wheels recover energy during
braking and then are used as electric motors during the next acceleration.
So there won't be a drive axle beneath the driver.

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- power-boost button, 13 second per lap
- identical bodywork for all the teams
So there will be no need to have 2 wind tunnels and a supercomputer
running CFD programs 24/7 to be competitive in F1 ? And cars won't have
dozens of tiny wings, spikes, etc. ? And the driver might get a better
seating position ? And it might be possible to follow another driver
through a fast curve ?

Can't say I disagree with that (specially if Pinifarina is asked to
design it (yes, I know they have a special relationship with Ferrari,
but they also have designed some of the most beautiful cars ever)).



http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39287

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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 01:05 PM







"Goldrusher" <goldrusherREMOVETHIS (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote

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If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's
proposals for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current
F1 manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join
the sport in the future.


engines
- 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
- running on biodiesel fuels
- 770bhp
- restricted to 10,000rpm
- have to last 5 races

other
- kinetic energy recovery system
- traction-control
- four-wheel-drive
- power-boost button, 13 second per lap
- identical bodywork for all the teams



Just make them take off the freaking wings.




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Ray O'Hara
 
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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 01:31 PM




"Goldrusher" <goldrusherREMOVETHIS (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote


so F1 wants to be a spec car series based in asia.

fia/fisa/ eccelstonia needs to be broken up and recreated anew..



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TonyMitch@gmail.com
 
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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 02:16 PM



On May 18, 2:31 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote:
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"Goldrusher" <goldrusherREMOVET... (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote in message

news:k1f3i.122307$Z67.25548 (AT) biebel (DOT) telenet-ops.be...

so F1 wants to be a spec car series based in asia.

fia/fisa/ eccelstonia needs to be broken up and recreated anew..
Mosley has done enough damage to F1, Now he want's to screw it up some
more. He should have stayed retired.



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Pete Fenelon
 
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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 02:44 PM



Paul Ian Harman <chatterbox (AT) doctorwhowebguide (DOT) net> wrote:
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"Goldrusher" <goldrusherREMOVETHIS (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote in message
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- power-boost button, 13 second per lap
- identical bodywork for all the teams


Can't see either of these happening, but the others all seem okay.

Happened in NASCAR... Car of Tomorrow, anyone?

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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 02:44 PM



Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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Why don't they just fit the GP2 cars with more powerful engines and
scrap F1?

Because GP2 provides good racing. F1 provides "The Show". Bernie prefers
the latter, and Max wants it to all look vaguely 'eco'.

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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 02:47 PM




<TonyMitch (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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On May 18, 2:31 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote:
"Goldrusher" <goldrusherREMOVET... (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote in message

news:k1f3i.122307$Z67.25548 (AT) biebel (DOT) telenet-ops.be...

so F1 wants to be a spec car series based in asia.

fia/fisa/ eccelstonia needs to be broken up and recreated anew..

Mosley has done enough damage to F1, Now he want's to screw it up some
more. He should have stayed retired.


How much more time does Mosley have in his postion? Once Bernie goes
does that mean Mosley is history as well?





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Bill Smith
 
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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 04:01 PM



On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:20:37 +0200, "Goldrusher"
<goldrusherREMOVETHIS (AT) telenet (DOT) be> wrote:

Quote:
If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
sport in the future.


engines
- 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
- running on biodiesel fuels
- 770bhp
- restricted to 10,000rpm
- have to last 5 races

other
- kinetic energy recovery system
- traction-control
- four-wheel-drive
- power-boost button, 13 second per lap
- identical bodywork for all the teams


http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39287

Very nice Mosley. Very nice.

Why stop there? I think they should all be the same color, put the
same numbers on all the cars, and use cloned drivers. The winner to be
determined by the car that uses the least fuel completing the
distance. Cars to start at ten second intervals, no passing allowed.
Bill Smith




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Graham Hodgson
 
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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 04:03 PM



Goldrusher wrote:
Quote:
If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
sport in the future.
With what are Ford supposed to go F1 racing with?

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engines
- 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
- running on biodiesel fuels
- 770bhp
A1GP in the near future?

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- restricted to 10,000rpm
A1GP?

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- have to last 5 races
*yawn*


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other
- kinetic energy recovery system
Regen braking in F1. How *exciting*.

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- traction-control
- four-wheel-drive
??

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- power-boost button, 13 second per lap
A1GP.

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- identical bodywork for all the teams
A1GP.

Mad Max yawns again...


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Default Re: Mosley's dream... - 05-18-2007 , 04:24 PM





Bill Smith wrote:

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Why stop there? I think they should all be the same color, put the
same numbers on all the cars, and use cloned drivers.


Drivers?

Entire fleet driven by remote datalink from a trailer in Hyderabad.




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