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Most Consecutive (1950-2006) - Top 10 - Part 4 - D N F's
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Re: Most Consecutive (1950-2006) - Top 10 - Part 4 - D N F's -
05-09-2007
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Toshio Suzuki 2 12/14 1993 Roland Ratzenberger 1 11 1994 Did he miss one race at the start? Imola was the third race right? |
26th and last for the Pacific GP, finishing 11th. Then Imola.
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Here's a question to challenge your database: Drivers with 0 DNF ? (That have started at least 1 race) Starts Finished Season ================================================== = Cesare Perdisa 7 3/8/7/3/5/7/6 1955-57 [some shared] |
(Though he actually scored 4 points).
Nur '56 had a DNS. Doesn't qualify as DNF?
Hence didn't make it to the list I created.
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Nicholas Kiesa 5 12/13/12/11/16 2003 Timo Glock 4 7/15/15/15 2004 Eddie Keizan 3 NC/14/13 1973-75 Sandro Pesenti-Rossi 3 14/11/18 1976 |
3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren (MP4-22) 2007 Aus-3/Mal-2/Bah-2
3 Heikki Kovaleinen Renault (R27) 2007 Aus-10/Mal-8/Bah-9
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John Campbell-Jones 2 11/13 1962-63 Emilio de Villota 2 13/17 1977 Joe Kelly 2 NC/NC 1950-51 Ernst Klodwig 2 NC/NC 1952-53 Roger Laurent 2 12/6 1952 Roger Penske 2 8/9 1961-62 Dennis Poore 2 4/12 1952 Brian Shawe-Taylor 2 10/8 1950-51 [1950/10th - shared] Toshio Suzuki 2 12/14 1993 Peter Ashdown 1 12 1959 [F2} John Barber 1 8 1953 Don Beauman 1 11 1954 Harry Blanchard 1 7 1959 Trevor Blokdyk 1 12 1963 Roberto Bonomi 1 11 1960 Peter Broeker 1 7 1963 Warwick Brown 1 14 1976 Luiz Bueno 1 12 1973 John Cannon 1 14 1971 Jay Chamberlain 1 15 1962 Bob Drake 1 13 1960 Piero Drogo 1 8 1960 Nasif Estefano 1 14 1960 Mike Fisher 1 11 1967 Jan Flinterman 1 9 1952 [took over another car] Joe Fry 1 10 1950 [shared car] Oscar Galvez 1 5 1953 Fred Gamble 1 10 1960 Oscar Gonzalez 1 6 1956 [shared car] Andre Guelfi 1 15 1958 [F2] Brian Hart 1 12 1967 [F2] Masahiro Hasemi 1 11 1976 Bruce Johnstone 1 9 1962 Robert la Caze 1 14 1958 Alberto Larreta 1 9 1960 Neville Lederle 1 6 1962 Mike MacDowel 1 7 1957 [shared car] Damien Magee 1 14 1975 Jean Max 1 14 1971 Francois Mazet 1 13 1971 Dave Morgan 1 16 1975 John Nicholson 1 17 1975 Helmut Niedermayer 1 NC 1952 Brausch Niemann 1 14 1963 Rodney Nuckey 1 11 1953 Robert O'Brien 1 NC 1952 Nello Pagani 1 7 1950 Torsten Palm 1 10 1975 Xavier Perrot 1 10 1969 [F2} Teddy Pilette 1 17 1974 Renato Pirocchi 1 12 1961 Charles Pozzi 1 6 1950 [shared] Dieter Quester 1 9 1974 Roland Ratzenberger 1 11 1994 Fritz Riess 1 7 1952 Troy Ruttman 1 10 1958 Peter Ryan 1 9 1961 Jean-Louis Schlesser 1 11 1988 Rob Schroeder 1 10 1962 Dorino Serafini 1 2 1950 [shared] Mike Sparken 1 7 1955 Kunimitsu Takahashi 1 9 1977 Eric Thompson 1 5 1952 Guy Tunmer 1 11 1975 Heini Walter 1 14 1962 Peter Westbury 1 9 1969 [F2] Grahame Whitehead 1 12 1952 Jonathan Williams 1 8 1967 |
entry after 2 starts (just too many entries).
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Notes There is no consistent definition of what counted as a "finish". Most data came from Steve Small's "Grand Prix Who's Who", 3rd edition (2000). NC - Not Classified (technically not a "finish") F2 - drove in a separate F2 class shared - either took over another car or handed his car to another driver. (those who handed over their car didn't actually "finish", but I'm including them here anyway) |
above list. I am still puzzled over Perdisa entry.
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Cesare Perdisa 7 3/8/7/3/5/7/6 1955-57 [some shared] gpsql shows him as retired in '55 Monaco with no points. (Though he actually scored 4 points). |
Behra's car.
We had the following records :
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ResNum | ResPlace | ResGrille | ResNumVoit | ResPilote | ResPoints | +--------+----------+-----------+------------+-----------+-----------+ 5828 | 3 | 5 | 34 | BEHR | 2.00 | 5829 | 3 | 99 | 34 | PERD | 2.00 | 17817 | 70 | 11 | 40 | PERD | 0.00 | 19041 | 70 | 99 | 40 | BEHR | 0.00 | +--------+----------+-----------+------------+-----------+-----------+ |
ResPlace = 70 is "retirement" code
ResGrille (Grid) = 99 is shared drive code for drivers who started the
race with another car.
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Nur '56 had a DNS. Doesn't qualify as DNF? |
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Patrick Texier
free open wheels single-seater results database (french language)
(F1, GP pre-1950, F2, F3000, GP2, A1GP, IRL, ChampCars...)
<http://www.gpsql.org>
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I think we shouldn't include NC, DNS, Non-qualified in the above list. I am still puzzled over Perdisa entry. |
chequered flag. Some (though not all - I haven't checked) of the NCs
were happily racing when the flag came out but were considered to be
too far behind the winner to be classified. Others may have retired, but
had completed more laps than some of the other "finishers".
In order to fail to finish a race you have to have started it - neither
a DNS nor a DNQ count as a start, so a DNF simply isn't possible in those
circumstances. The actual circumstances of a DNS may well affect any
ruling though - if a driver is injured and can't start he is obviously
a DNS, but what if he lines up on the grid and takes the start only for
the clutch to fail - is that a DNS or a DNF? Each example would need to
be checked to give a definitive answer. My list merely included all
those who MIGHT qualify as never having a DNF. It wasn't meant to be
absolutely 100% complete.
As Patrick wrote, Perdisa took over Behra's car to finish the race.
Where I wrote "shared" in the list some drivers handed over their cars
and really didn't finish the race, while some took over a car from
another driver and did finish. I didn't research each and every one to
see whether that was the case.
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Brian
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In order to fail to finish a race you have to have started it - neither a DNS nor a DNQ count as a start, so a DNF simply isn't possible in those circumstances. The actual circumstances of a DNS may well affect any ruling though - if a driver is injured and can't start he is obviously a DNS, but what if he lines up on the grid and takes the start only for the clutch to fail - is that a DNS or a DNF? |
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Pretty sure that's a DNF. He "started", after all. |
because of a mechanical failure _before_ coming back to the grid for the
real start, for example ?
In this case, he qualified and was ready to take the start, but the car
failed before the real start. IMHO this is a case in which DNS is equal
to a retirement (DNF), like it happened in Indy 2005 to the Michelin
teams, or to Schumacher in France 1996.
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:50:05 +1000, David Melville wrote: Pretty sure that's a DNF. He "started", after all. And if he lines up and start the parade lap, but fail to take the start because of a mechanical failure before coming back to the grid for the real start, for example ? In this case, he qualified and was ready to take the start, but the car failed before the real start. IMHO this is a case in which DNS is equal to a retirement (DNF), like it happened in Indy 2005 to the Michelin teams, or to Schumacher in France 1996. |
finishes the parade lap has started the race, surely?
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gpsql shows him as retired in '55 Monaco with no points. (Though he actually scored 4 points). Perdisa and Behra had swopped cars at mid-race and he finished 3rd with Behra's car. We had the following records : +--------+----------+-----------+------------+-----------+-----------+ | ResNum | ResPlace | ResGrille | ResNumVoit | ResPilote | ResPoints | +--------+----------+-----------+------------+-----------+-----------+ | 5828 | 3 | 5 | 34 | BEHR | 2.00 | | 5829 | 3 | 99 | 34 | PERD | 2.00 | | 17817 | 70 | 11 | 40 | PERD | 0.00 | | 19041 | 70 | 99 | 40 | BEHR | 0.00 | +--------+----------+-----------+------------+-----------+-----------+ ResPlace = 70 is "retirement" code ResGrille (Grid) = 99 is shared drive code for drivers who started the race with another car. |
the morning when I made that post and for some strange reason, my eyes
interpreted 3rd driver/3D as "Friday driver";
BTW, you dropped pilactivite col?
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:50:05 +1000, David Melville wrote: Pretty sure that's a DNF. He "started", after all. And if he lines up and start the parade lap, but fail to take the start because of a mechanical failure _before_ coming back to the grid for the real start, for example ? Simple. The parade lap (real name: "observation" lap) is counted as a |
as starting by dint of this (strange) convention.
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In this case, he qualified and was ready to take the start, but the car failed before the real start. IMHO this is a case in which DNS is equal to a retirement (DNF), like it happened in Indy 2005 to the Michelin teams, or to Schumacher in France 1996. |
Dave
"I wish that this were not our problem."
- Australian Prime Minister John Howard showing
compassion for refugees... an "Australian Value"
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BTW, you dropped pilactivite col? |
WSR, Nakajima in GP2..). I'm using now the table plateau, no more an
only F1 table.
Old query:
where PilActivite = 'F1'
New query:
join plateau on PilCode = PlaPilote and PlaCateg = 'F1'.
I will add a Change file with future database modifications
(result.ResNumGp2 for sequences excluding Indy).
I have some problems with my new web server for database updates. Check
the date on download page. Next will be Monday with Spanish GP. I have
now MySQL 4.1 and I will remove 3.2 support.
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Patrick Texier
free open wheels single-seater results database (french language)
(F1, GP pre-1950, F2, F3000, GP2, A1GP, IRL, ChampCars...)
<http://www.gpsql.org>
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