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[OT] EJ's poppy (lack of)
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Re: EJ's poppy (lack of) -
11-03-2009
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Tommo wrote: On Nov 3, 12:25 pm, Sir Tim <bent... (AT) brooklands (DOT) co.uk> wrote: There was an item on Sky News this morning about the conventions of poppy-wearing in which it was remarked upon that Eddie Jordan wasn't wearing one on Sunday. snip I rather admire EJ for not wearing one. -- Henry Birkin Bt. As he is Irish, I suspect that there may be a historical reason for him not wanting to wear a visible mark of support for the British army. And what of all the other countries that use the poppy as a symbol of remembrance? Surely you don't believe that we're all *just* supporting the British armed forces? (And I also tend to dislike the political correctness of public figures with their poppies on display. Especially politicians -- although I must admit being disposed to dislike *them* at the slightest provocation. <grin>) |
Remembrance Sunday to lay wreaths in memory of the dead, and then hot-footing
it back to Westminster on the Monday to ensure that there will be plenty more
to remember in years to come.
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Halmyre
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head clean off.
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Yes, there's nothing more edifying than watching politicians queuing up on Remembrance Sunday to lay wreaths in memory of the dead, and then hot-footing it back to Westminster on the Monday to [...] |
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David Taylor
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I rather admire EJ for not wearing one. |
Happi.
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There was an item on Sky News this morning about the conventions of poppy-wearing in which it was remarked upon that Eddie Jordan wasn't wearing one on Sunday. I must say that I noticed the same thing but it seems that a sort of Poppy Fascism has developed amongst broadcasters in the UK where it is de rigueur for everybody to wear a poppy from somewhere around the middle of October until November 11th and the first question anybody about to make an appearance on TV is asked by the producer is, "are you wearing a poppy?" I have been a soldier (although never on active service) and consider that I have more respect than most for the sacrifices made by our servicemen during this and the last centuries but I think that the respect implied by the wearing of a poppy is seriously degraded when it becomes a politically correct requirement rather than a personal gesture of remembrance. I rather admire EJ for not wearing one. |
Pashendale and other horror spots in Europe over the last century along
with other more strange places they've been more recently. I has very
recently come to my attention that the Canadians in Afganistan have the
highest causalty rate of any of the "allied" forces there. Every Canadian
soldier has a 1 in 61 chance of not coming back alive every tour. About
the same as the Russians when they invaded.
If EJ has problems with the "british occupation" that is one thing, but
can he state absolutely that *none* of his ancestors or relatives fought
in any branch of the British military since McRae wrote that poem? Surely
that would be the reason to consider.
I refer of course to "In Flanders Fields".
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If EJ has problems with the "british occupation" that is one thing, but can he state absolutely that *none* of his ancestors or relatives fought in any branch of the British military since McRae wrote that poem? Surely that would be the reason to consider. I don't think EJ has given any reason for not wearing a poppy and nor |
discussing it.
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Paul Giverin
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Sir Tim <bentley (AT) brooklands (DOT) co.uk> wrote in news:2680f5pd4kcsa9k35u2hp7ovb282qgl169 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com: I rather admire EJ for not wearing one. Not me. I wear one (*every* year) because of the Canadians that died in Pashendale and other horror spots in Europe over the last century along with other more strange places they've been more recently. I has very recently come to my attention that the Canadians in Afganistan have the highest causalty rate of any of the "allied" forces there. Every Canadian soldier has a 1 in 61 chance of not coming back alive every tour. About the same as the Russians when they invaded. If EJ has problems with the "british occupation" that is one thing, but can he state absolutely that *none* of his ancestors or relatives fought in any branch of the British military since McRae wrote that poem? Surely that would be the reason to consider. I refer of course to "In Flanders Fields". |
coercion in the matter of poppy wearing. It should be a personal
gesture of respect and gratitude.
I myself always buy a poppy, but wear it only on November 11th.
I have often visited the WW1 battlefields in Northern France (my
wife's Uncle Charlie rests there) and there is abundant evidence of
the gallantry of the Canadian regiments as well as a superb monument
at Vimy Ridge.
You might be interested in this website:
http://www.ww1battlefields.co.uk/others/vimy.html
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Henry Birkin Bt.
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In message <Xns9CB88AF223AACAPLer (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1>, APLer <APLer (AT) floor (DOT) tilde writes If EJ has problems with the "british occupation" that is one thing, but can he state absolutely that *none* of his ancestors or relatives fought in any branch of the British military since McRae wrote that poem? Surely that would be the reason to consider. I don't think EJ has given any reason for not wearing a poppy and nor should he. Its a personal choice and I don't know why we are even discussing it. Then you don't know why people wear one either. |
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Paul Giverin <paul (AT) giverin (DOT) co.uk> wrote in news:k04C0CDIoT8KFwER (AT) 10 (DOT) 0.0.3: In message <Xns9CB88AF223AACAPLer (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1>, APLer <APLer (AT) floor (DOT) tilde writes If EJ has problems with the "british occupation" that is one thing, but can he state absolutely that *none* of his ancestors or relatives fought in any branch of the British military since McRae wrote that poem? Surely that would be the reason to consider. I don't think EJ has given any reason for not wearing a poppy and nor should he. Its a personal choice and I don't know why we are even discussing it. Then you don't know why people wear one either. That's right because I'm sure not everyone wears theirs for the same |
I know why I wear mine.
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Paul Giverin
My photos:- www.pbase.com/vendee
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In message <Xns9CB88AF223AACAPLer (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1>, APLer <APLer (AT) floor (DOT) tilde writes If EJ has problems with the "british occupation" that is one thing, but can he state absolutely that *none* of his ancestors or relatives fought in any branch of the British military since McRae wrote that poem? Surely that would be the reason to consider. I don't think EJ has given any reason for not wearing a poppy and nor should he. Its a personal choice and I don't know why we are even discussing it. |
no pressure is exerted on them one way or the other - that is
actually very favourable to them since other charity emblems are
banned outright. Also, don't overlook the simple practicalities:
he may not have thought of it, or he forgot to pack one before
leaving for Abu Dhabi - I would imagine tracking one down there
would be quite difficult. Or perhaps he was wearing one when
airport security confiscated the pin meaning it fell out. If you
think the production team have a box of them at any event and go
around checking that everyone is wearing a poppy before shooting
I think you are very much mistaken. The fact he was not wearing
a poppy should not be construed as a political statement.
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Andrew Smallshaw
andrews (AT) sdf (DOT) lonestar.org
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