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Qualifying is still crap
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Re: Qualifying is still crap -
05-16-2007
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just bob wrote: "Von Fourche" <Khonakong (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:a8I2i.16072$3P3.9162 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... "just bob" <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote in message news:464b337b$0$27182$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all so stupid, really. Qualifying was changed because of the Schumacher/Ferrari domination. There was really nothing wrong with the 12 total laps/one hour format. I found the one lap qualifying boring. What I liked about the one lap.... is seeing the entire lap! But for excitement it was crap wasn't it. |
able to see everyone have a go.
My gripe is, qualifying would often be much better than the race - and it
still is - it's just that now, with everyone on their fastest laps at the
same time, you only get to ride along or see one car.
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Watch the occasional race, there is plenty of opportunity to see the cars circulate without getting your pulse up. |
people should go watch NASCAR.
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"Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0f6a5zg6hjdg700b (AT) news (DOT) individual.net... just bob wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:5b0s4cF2pr5qbU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... Bigbird wrote: just bob wrote: I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK >>> but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem >>> is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is >>> watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the >>> race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all >>> so stupid, really. The later half of Q3 is almost as exciting as qualifying ever was at it's best, add back Q1 and Q2 and, while we don't get the single all out low fuel lap, I reckon this is the one aspect of todays F1 that they have got right. Q1 and Q2 are fine as they are, but watching a line of F1 cars circling to burn off fuel is a drag. I agreed Q1 and Q2 are fine. But what about none of the final hot laps being shown - all we get is a shot of the start finish line as the cars cross? It's crap. Race fuel qualifying is the only that makes sense, so without changing that aspect, your suggestions are? Re: Fuel, I guess I'm the only one who wants to see the cars on running on fumes and thus at the limit, running out of gas on the cool down lap and all that stuff we used to have. I don't know how to change it to see more fast laps other than do single-car. Not too many years ago you would see an hour of qual and chances were, barring sudden rain or track drying, over that hour you would see a lot of drivers on their fastest laps. The problem now is the current scheme has everyone doing their fastest lap in the final two minutes. I do not fault the tv production: what else can they show? If in the final minutes say four cars are potential pole winners and since it is impossible to follow all of them, the producer follows the first car all the way to the line and then stays on that shot for the other three cars. If the producer decides to break tradition and show car #3, and you miss car #2 taking the pole the viewers will be pissed. So I guess we're stuck with watching the finish line. BORING! I agree with you completely. Perhaps the final session should be run |
the TV, if all the final set of cars were on low fuel, you would get an
idea of who's in the running after their first couple of laps, that
would help the producers choose the best cars to watch.
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"Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0f6a5zg6hjdg700b (AT) news (DOT) individual.net... just bob wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:5b0s4cF2pr5qbU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... Bigbird wrote: just bob wrote: I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK >>> but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem >>> is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is >>> watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the >>> race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all >>> so stupid, really. The later half of Q3 is almost as exciting as qualifying ever was at it's best, add back Q1 and Q2 and, while we don't get the single all out low fuel lap, I reckon this is the one aspect of todays F1 that they have got right. Q1 and Q2 are fine as they are, but watching a line of F1 cars circling to burn off fuel is a drag. I agreed Q1 and Q2 are fine. But what about none of the final hot laps being shown - all we get is a shot of the start finish line as the cars cross? It's crap. Race fuel qualifying is the only that makes sense, so without changing that aspect, your suggestions are? Re: Fuel, I guess I'm the only one who wants to see the cars on running on fumes and thus at the limit, running out of gas on the cool down lap and all that stuff we used to have. I don't know how to change it to see more fast laps other than do single-car. Not too many years ago you would see an hour of qual and chances were, barring sudden rain or track drying, over that hour you would see a lot of drivers on their fastest laps. The problem now is the current scheme Unfortunately, that went down the drain when the top teams decided to |
and piss off back to the garage. And usually, this occured towards the
end with about 10 minutes to go, leavign just enough time that they
could have another hot lap, if deemed needed.
It was actually that trend which made them change the qualy format.
The TV viewers(and track side spectators like me) saw next to nothing
for 45 minutes, with Aguri-like teams circulating for no other reason
but to gather testing miles, while the ones you really wanted to see
were sipping tea in the pits. Then all hell broke loose for 10
minutes, with the small teams still out there and the big ones trying
to get around them.
Early on in my viewing carreer the old format was great, but it slowly
became a bore. This current system is much better. The only way the
old system would be good is if the FIA took a stern stance and somehow
forced all teams to be out there at least 50-60% of the duration.
But then, teams would suddenly develop some niggling car problems,
preventing them to go out... and, you know, safety first, so nothign
would be done about that.
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Regards, Frank
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I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all so stupid, really. |
completely and utterly wrong.
The idea of getting rid of the moving roadblocks is a _VERY_
_POSITIVE_THING_. I remember the old Brundle bets of how
long it would take before any car emered. 40% of qualifying
was _nothing_ at all in the past. I remember 24 minutes of
empty track personally. That's not interesting by anyone's
metric.
Exactly which bit about people driving as quickly as possibly did
you think was "BORING"? Are you perhaps making a comment about the
televisual producer, rather than the drivers themselves?
Phil
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so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of
/In God We Trust, Inc./.
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"just bob" <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote in message news:464b337b$0$27182$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all so stupid, really. Qualifying was changed because of the Schumacher/Ferrari domination. There was really nothing wrong with the 12 total laps/one hour format. |
If so, maybe you're quite well suited to be a Ferrari fan.
Phil
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so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of
/In God We Trust, Inc./.
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just bob wrote: "Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0f6a5zg6hjdg700b (AT) news (DOT) individual.net... just bob wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:5b0s4cF2pr5qbU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... Bigbird wrote: just bob wrote: I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK >>> but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem >>> is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is >>> watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the >>> race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all >>> so stupid, really. The later half of Q3 is almost as exciting as qualifying ever was at it's best, add back Q1 and Q2 and, while we don't get the single all out low fuel lap, I reckon this is the one aspect of todays F1 that they have got right. Q1 and Q2 are fine as they are, but watching a line of F1 cars circling to burn off fuel is a drag. I agreed Q1 and Q2 are fine. But what about none of the final hot laps being shown - all we get is a shot of the start finish line as the cars cross? It's crap. Race fuel qualifying is the only that makes sense, so without changing that aspect, your suggestions are? Re: Fuel, I guess I'm the only one who wants to see the cars on running on fumes and thus at the limit, running out of gas on the cool down lap and all that stuff we used to have. I don't know how to change it to see more fast laps other than do single-car. Not too many years ago you would see an hour of qual and chances were, barring sudden rain or track drying, over that hour you would see a lot of drivers on their fastest laps. The problem now is the current scheme has everyone doing their fastest lap in the final two minutes. I do not fault the tv production: what else can they show? If in the final minutes say four cars are potential pole winners and since it is impossible to follow all of them, the producer follows the first car all the way to the line and then stays on that shot for the other three cars. If the producer decides to break tradition and show car #3, and you miss car #2 taking the pole the viewers will be pissed. So I guess we're stuck with watching the finish line. BORING! I agree with you completely. Perhaps the final session should be run like a mini version of the old system - that would spice it up. As for the TV, if all the final set of cars were on low fuel, you would get an idea of who's in the running after their first couple of laps, that would help the producers choose the best cars to watch. |
respond to someone setting a quicker time. That's something that,
imo, any qualifying needs to have, that's what distinguishes it from
rallying, for example.
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"Von Fourche" <Khonakong (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> writes: "just bob" <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote in message news:464b337b$0$27182$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all so stupid, really. Qualifying was changed because of the Schumacher/Ferrari domination. There was really nothing wrong with the 12 total laps/one hour format. So you found 24 minutes of completely empty track interesing? |
there'll always be something happening.
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On 17 May 2007 03:10:13 +0300, Phil Carmody thefatphil_demunged (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote: "Von Fourche" <Khonakong (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> writes: "just bob" <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote in message news:464b337b$0$27182$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all so stupid, really. Qualifying was changed because of the Schumacher/Ferrari domination. There was really nothing wrong with the 12 total laps/one hour format. So you found 24 minutes of completely empty track interesing? Maybe they should combine practice and qualfying again? That way there'll always be something happening. Why not split the field into four equal groups according to Championship |
during a specified 15 minute period of qualy? So, bottom feeders *must*
run x laps between Q0:00 and Q0:15, 2nd from bottom, x laps between
Q0:15 and Q0:30, etc. All teams are free to use the track at any time
during the session for setup and reconnaisance. Qualifying times may be
set at any time during the hour.
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Dave
"I wish that this were not our problem."
- Australian Prime Minister John Howard showing
compassion for refugees... an "Australian Value"
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 23:56:11 +0100, "Knight who says \"Ni!\"" spamalot@camelot> wrote: just bob wrote: "Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0f6a5zg6hjdg700b (AT) news (DOT) individual.net... just bob wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:5b0s4cF2pr5qbU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... Bigbird wrote: just bob wrote: I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK >>> but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The problem >>> is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the television is >>> watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm still tired of the >>> race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to burn it off. It's all >>> so stupid, really. The later half of Q3 is almost as exciting as qualifying ever was at it's best, add back Q1 and Q2 and, while we don't get the single all out low fuel lap, I reckon this is the one aspect of todays F1 that they have got right. Q1 and Q2 are fine as they are, but watching a line of F1 cars circling to burn off fuel is a drag. I agreed Q1 and Q2 are fine. But what about none of the final hot laps being shown - all we get is a shot of the start finish line as the cars cross? It's crap. Race fuel qualifying is the only that makes sense, so without changing that aspect, your suggestions are? Re: Fuel, I guess I'm the only one who wants to see the cars on running on fumes and thus at the limit, running out of gas on the cool down lap and all that stuff we used to have. I don't know how to change it to see more fast laps other than do single-car. Not too many years ago you would see an hour of qual and chances were, barring sudden rain or track drying, over that hour you would see a lot of drivers on their fastest laps. The problem now is the current scheme has everyone doing their fastest lap in the final two minutes. I do not fault the tv production: what else can they show? If in the final minutes say four cars are potential pole winners and since it is impossible to follow all of them, the producer follows the first car all the way to the line and then stays on that shot for the other three cars. If the producer decides to break tradition and show car #3, and you miss car #2 taking the pole the viewers will be pissed. So I guess we're stuck with watching the finish line. BORING! I agree with you completely. Perhaps the final session should be run like a mini version of the old system - that would spice it up. As for the TV, if all the final set of cars were on low fuel, you would get an idea of who's in the running after their first couple of laps, that would help the producers choose the best cars to watch. The problem with the old system is that there's no way for a driver to respond to someone setting a quicker time. That's something that, imo, any qualifying needs to have, that's what distinguishes it from rallying, for example. |
driver from responding to a quicker time. If he's tanked up with a
higher race fuel load, there's nothing he can do about a lighter car.
He can only respond to his team mate and that's assuming they are
running the same strategy.
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Colonel K wrote: Mark Jones wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007 23:56:11 +0100, "Knight who says \"Ni!\"" spamalot@camelot> wrote: just bob wrote: "Bigbird" <bigbird.usenet (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0f6a5zg6hjdg700b (AT) news (DOT) individual.net... just bob wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:5b0s4cF2pr5qbU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... Bigbird wrote: just bob wrote: I still think the qualifying is crap. The first two sessions are OK >>> but the last session should be run single car, one lap. The >>>>>problem >>> is, when everyone is out on their final hot lap the >>>>>television is >>> watching the start finish line. BORING! And I'm >>>>>still tired of the >>> race-fuel qualifying, even if they do get to >>>>>burn it off. It's all >>> so stupid, really. The later half of Q3 is almost as exciting as qualifying ever was at it's best, add back Q1 and Q2 and, while we don't get the single all out low fuel lap, I reckon this is the one aspect of todays F1 that they have got right. Q1 and Q2 are fine as they are, but watching a line of F1 cars circling to burn off fuel is a drag. I agreed Q1 and Q2 are fine. But what about none of the final hot laps being shown - all we get is a shot of the start finish line as the cars cross? It's crap. Race fuel qualifying is the only that makes sense, so without changing that aspect, your suggestions are? Re: Fuel, I guess I'm the only one who wants to see the cars on running on fumes and thus at the limit, running out of gas on the cool down lap and all that stuff we used to have. I don't know how to change it to see more fast laps other than do single-car. Not too many years ago you would see an hour of qual and chances were, barring sudden rain or track drying, over that hour you would see a lot of drivers on their fastest laps. The problem now is the current scheme has everyone doing their fastest lap in the final two minutes. I do not fault the tv production: what else can they show? If in the final minutes say four cars are potential pole winners and since it is impossible to follow all of them, the producer follows the first car all the way to the line and then stays on that shot for the other three cars. If the producer decides to break tradition and show car #3, and you miss car #2 taking the pole the viewers will be pissed. So I guess we're stuck with watching the finish line. BORING! I agree with you completely. Perhaps the final session should be run like a mini version of the old system - that would spice it up. As for the TV, if all the final set of cars were on low fuel, you would get an idea of who's in the running after their first couple of laps, that would help the producers choose the best cars to watch. The problem with the old system is that there's no way for a driver to respond to someone setting a quicker time. That's something that, imo, any qualifying needs to have, that's what distinguishes it from rallying, for example. I agree to an extend but surely the current system also prevents a driver from responding to a quicker time. If he's tanked up with a higher race fuel load, there's nothing he can do about a lighter car. He can only respond to his team mate and that's assuming they are running the same strategy. Are you forgetting the purpose of qualifying? It is to put the car you are starting the race with in the best position on the grid you can achieve. There are clear reasons for it being like this. The other extreme are low fuel, qualifying setups, engines, tyres. While entertaining each of these are less and less relevent to the race start or more importantly race pace at the start of the race. Looking at qualifying as a totally seperate entity from the race is a mistake. AOL. But let them qualify without this fuel load bullshit. |
At least to me it does.
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Dave
"I wish that this were not our problem."
- Australian Prime Minister John Howard showing
compassion for refugees... an "Australian Value"
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