Re: Bastards at McLaren at it again

#21

Bob Dubery wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 3, 6:15 pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
phil_the_l... (AT) REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/6473980/Heikki...
Heikki Kovalainen warns of favouritism towards Lewis Hamilton at McLaren
#1: Even if this was true, most teams have a 'preferred' driver.
#2: We see a pattern emerging here. Both drivers who have driven with LH
at McClaren leave bitching that he had preferential treatment. It
couldn't possibly be that LH is just faster could it?

IIRC Alonso left McLaren saying that he'd been given a fair shot at
the title, good equipment etc etc. He'd be hard put to make such a
suggestion stick anyway, because as 2007 progressed he slowly gained
the upper hand and outscored Hamilton in the 2nd half of the season.

Only because of the team cockups for LH for the last 2 races.

#22

On Nov 4, 8:39*am, %ste... (AT) malloc (DOT) co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

Quote:

Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Both of those have headlines that speak of sensationalist sub-editing.
The first has Alonso saying "I'm not complaining",

If you ignore everything else he said, yes.

Saying "I'm not complaining" after complaining, whining, moaning and
groaning doesn't work like a magic eraser.
True.

Quote:

the second is an article by a member of the press reacting to a deal
between the two drivers RE what they will say to the press - a deal that
would impose as many limits on Hamilton as it did on Alonso.

"Tu Quoque" is a fallacy. Alonso didn't rubbish Hamilton after that
event, as he did all season before it, because he was told to STFU by
Ron.

Well I might respond to that if I knew what "tu quoque" means :-)

#23

Bob Dubery <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

the second is an article by a member of the press reacting to a deal
between the two drivers RE what they will say to the press - a deal that
would impose as many limits on Hamilton as it did on Alonso.

"Tu Quoque" is a fallacy. Alonso didn't rubbish Hamilton after that
event, as he did all season before it, because he was told to STFU by
Ron.

Well I might respond to that if I knew what "tu quoque" means :-)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22tu+quoque%22

#24

In article <1j8oazj.1dw96jl4opxgqN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %
steve%@malloc.co.uk says...

Quote:

Bob Dubery <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

the second is an article by a member of the press reacting to a deal
between the two drivers RE what they will say to the press - a deal that
would impose as many limits on Hamilton as it did on Alonso.

"Tu Quoque" is a fallacy. Alonso didn't rubbish Hamilton after that
event, as he did all season before it, because he was told to STFU by
Ron.

Well I might respond to that if I knew what "tu quoque" means :-)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22tu+quoque%22

lmgtfy. <chuckle>

--
Alan LeHun

#25

Geoff Berrow <blthecat (AT) ckdog (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:sfd2f5pbns50fmg4fqqiqjqfk7hkv274dh (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Quote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:55:55 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

IIRC Alonso left McLaren saying that he'd been given a fair shot at
the title, good equipment etc etc. He'd be hard put to make such a
suggestion stick anyway, because as 2007 progressed he slowly gained
the upper hand and outscored Hamilton in the 2nd half of the season.

In fact Fred's beef was not that McLaren had favoured Hamilton but
that they had not given him preferred status. It would seem that this
was never guaranteed but Fred figured it was his due anyway. Fred's
beef was over equality.

I still can't understand why Ferrari want him so badly.

Something to do with being the best driver in F1 presumably.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#26

"Phil Da Lick!" <phil_the_lick (AT) REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote in
news:OeKdnae59YdnEGzXnZ2dnUVZ7sti4p2d (AT) brightview (DOT) co.uk:

Quote:

Bob Dubery wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:15 pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
phil_the_l... (AT) REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/6473980/Heikk
i... Heikki Kovalainen warns of favouritism towards Lewis Hamilton
at McLaren
#1: Even if this was true, most teams have a 'preferred' driver.
#2: We see a pattern emerging here. Both drivers who have driven
with LH at McClaren leave bitching that he had preferential
treatment. It couldn't possibly be that LH is just faster could it?

IIRC Alonso left McLaren saying that he'd been given a fair shot at
the title, good equipment etc etc. He'd be hard put to make such a
suggestion stick anyway, because as 2007 progressed he slowly gained
the upper hand and outscored Hamilton in the 2nd half of the season.

Only because of the team cockups for LH for the last 2 races.

You must be joking..

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#27

On Nov 4, 10:38*pm, %ste... (AT) malloc (DOT) co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

Quote:

Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
the second is an article by a member of the press reacting to a deal
between the two drivers RE what they will say to the press - a dealthat
would impose as many limits on Hamilton as it did on Alonso.

"Tu Quoque" is a fallacy. Alonso didn't rubbish Hamilton after that
event, as he did all season before it, because he was told to STFU by
Ron.

Well I might respond to that if I knew what "tu quoque" means :-)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22tu+quoque%22

OK. Thanks. But I haven't played that card. What I pointed out was
that this deal that might be seen as gagging Alonso would equally gag
Hamilton.

#28

On Nov 5, 5:19*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Geoff Berrow <blthe... (AT) ckdog (DOT) co.uk> wrote innews:sfd2f5pbns50fmg4fqqiqjqfk7hkv274dh (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:55:55 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

IIRC Alonso left McLaren saying that he'd been given a fair shot at
the title, good equipment etc etc. He'd be hard put to make such a
suggestion stick anyway, because as 2007 progressed he slowly gained
the upper hand and outscored Hamilton in the 2nd half of the season.

In fact Fred's beef was not that McLaren had favoured Hamilton but
that they had not given him preferred status. It would seem that this
was never guaranteed but Fred figured it was his due anyway. Fred's
beef was over equality.

I still can't understand why Ferrari want him so badly.

Something to do with being the best driver in F1 presumably.

And they're putting him up against Golden boy Massa, where he equally
won't have No. 1 status. See a trend here?

#29

Mike wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 5, 5:19*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Geoff Berrow <blthe... (AT) ckdog (DOT) co.uk> wrote
innews:sfd2f5pbns50fmg4fqqiqjqfk7hkv274dh (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:55:55 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

IIRC Alonso left McLaren saying that he'd been given a fair
shot at >>> the title, good equipment etc etc. He'd be hard put to
make such a >>> suggestion stick anyway, because as 2007 progressed
he slowly gained >>> the upper hand and outscored Hamilton in the
2nd half of the season.

In fact Fred's beef was not that McLaren had favoured Hamilton
but that they had not given him preferred status. It would seem
that this was never guaranteed but Fred figured it was his due
anyway. Fred's beef was over equality.

I still can't understand why Ferrari want him so badly.

Something to do with being the best driver in F1 presumably.

And they're putting him up against Golden boy Massa, where he equally
won't have No. 1 status. See a trend here?

I wonder how much they're going to pay him? I bet they'll be a sick as
a dog if, as seems possible, Renault announce they're leaving.

Looks as if Fred has got the last laugh.

--
Paul-B

#30

CatharticF1 wrote:

Quote:

"Phil Da Lick!" <phil_the_lick (AT) REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote in
news:OeKdnae59YdnEGzXnZ2dnUVZ7sti4p2d (AT) brightview (DOT) co.uk:

Bob Dubery wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:15 pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
phil_the_l... (AT) REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/6473980/Heikk
i... Heikki Kovalainen warns of favouritism towards Lewis Hamilton
at McLaren
#1: Even if this was true, most teams have a 'preferred' driver.
#2: We see a pattern emerging here. Both drivers who have driven
with LH at McClaren leave bitching that he had preferential
treatment. It couldn't possibly be that LH is just faster could it?
IIRC Alonso left McLaren saying that he'd been given a fair shot at
the title, good equipment etc etc. He'd be hard put to make such a
suggestion stick anyway, because as 2007 progressed he slowly gained
the upper hand and outscored Hamilton in the 2nd half of the season.
Only because of the team cockups for LH for the last 2 races.

You must be joking..

If I were I'd be telling a joke.