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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 06:16 AM






BigBird wrote:
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Lewis was so cool, but he couldn't have done it without Kimi giving him
space on the inside nor kept it if Massa hadn't, totally unnecessarily
outbraked himself later.
That was very funny same corner, same mistake two laps running. Massa
Massa Superpilot!

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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 06:23 AM






RzR wrote:
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"cry more noob"...btw hamilton said on press conference that he
DELIBERATELY TRICKED massa, and that he appologizes for it...so much
about "tottaly unnecessarily outbraking" part...massa was average, still
is...maybe this was a wakeup call for the ones with such high hopes for
him
Massa still bought it hook, line and sinker though, trick or no trick.
Hamilton made it as hard for him as possible, for sure, and kudos for
that, but there's no way an F1 driver should make the same mistake twice
in two laps, the second time effectively binning his race.

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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 06:32 AM



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I am disgusted at the start that both the Ferrari drivers pulled
off at the start of today's grand prix. Where they asleep or
something? Leaving huge gaps for others to drive into is
unforgiveable.

They certainly know how to make the rookie look good.

That was all Hamilton! He's the real deal..

He certainly proved today that Australia was no mere beginner's luck.
He made Massa look a fool.
I shall bite my lip and mildly remark that both the McLaren and Ferrari cars
helped give that impression :-)

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I am still not quite sure how he opened up so much time over Kimi.
Simply traffic at the pitstops - Ferrari didn't do well tactically: Ross
Brawn's sabbatical may be over sooner than he expects :-)

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Alonso clearly does have an edge over Lewis, but not to the extent of
making Lewis seem out of his league.
I think a difference in fuelling and tyre strategies helped accentuate that.

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Which is astounding considering that this was only Lewis's second race.
No, it's not astounding: that is exactly what a future World Champion would
have to do. At 22, he is not all that young, but he probably has exactly
the right balance of youth and experience. He needed to make a good start,
and make rapid progress. He looks right on target.
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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 06:47 AM



RzR wrote:
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Phil Newnham wrote:
BigBird wrote:
Lewis was so cool, but he couldn't have done it without Kimi giving
him space on the inside nor kept it if Massa hadn't, totally
unnecessarily outbraked himself later.

That was very funny same corner, same mistake two laps running.
Massa Massa Superpilot!

shouldnt it be massa massa superpilot superpilot!! then?
Possibly

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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 07:50 AM



Phil Newnham wrote:
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RzR wrote:
"cry more noob"...btw hamilton said on press conference that he
DELIBERATELY TRICKED massa, and that he appologizes for it...so much
about "tottaly unnecessarily outbraking" part...massa was average,
still is...maybe this was a wakeup call for the ones with such high
hopes for him

Massa still bought it hook, line and sinker though, trick or no trick.
Hamilton made it as hard for him as possible, for sure, and kudos for
that, but there's no way an F1 driver should make the same mistake
twice in two laps, the second time effectively binning his race.
Just because Hamilton says that he tried to trick Massa doesn't mean that
Massa was actually tricked. But either way, it didn't make any difference
because he couldn't pull off the manoeuvre :-)

But Massa had to try the manoeuvre - he is the expendable one in the team.
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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 10:24 AM



John Briggs wrote:
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Just because Hamilton says that he tried to trick Massa doesn't mean that
Massa was actually tricked. But either way, it didn't make any difference
because he couldn't pull off the manoeuvre :-)

But Massa had to try the manoeuvre - he is the expendable one in the team.
One wonders if that was the wrong corner to try it at when he so almost
had Hamilton down the long straights - a clean pass where he had a clear
advantage would've got him the place. IMO he rushed his chance at the
first go and should've learnt the lesson that there was less grip there.

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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 10:33 AM



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I am disgusted at the start that both the Ferrari drivers pulled off
at the start of today's grand prix. Where they asleep or something?
Leaving huge gaps for others to drive into is unforgiveable.
They certainly know how to make the rookie look good.
nah...rookie made them look bad
Lewis was so cool, but he couldn't have done it without Kimi giving him
space on the inside nor kept it if Massa hadn't, totally unnecessarily
outbraked himself later.

get over the fact that the days of intentionally punting the faster
drivers are over

WTF...oh you're on a soapbox. What a bore.
"cry more noob"

You have me at a loss your rant is absolutely meaningless and out of place.
Clearly it is you who has something to get over.

whine, whine, excuses, whine...is all im seeing...oh yeah, and failure
to admit your team lost fair and square

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...btw hamilton said on press conference that he DELIBERATELY TRICKED
massa, and that he appologizes for it...so much about "tottaly
unnecessarily outbraking" part

I tricked you into exposing your complete lack of comprehension of racing. I
couldn't have done it if you weren't ignorant though. Just the same as Massa
had to outbrake himself unnecessarily in order to throw away the overtaking
opportunity. He could have braked earlier and controlled the corner just as
you could have kept your mouth shut not looked so daft.


in your weakass mind maybe ...the thing is...as soon as hamilton
breaked hard the second time and turned the corner, and massa flew to
the grass, the initial thought was "he baited him", which turned out to
be true later, so it was hamilton that caused massa to think that there
was an oportunity to overtake, and there really wasnt...to me it looks
like superb move by hamilton, just like it was at start, and i can just
laugh at the sad explanations that ferrari boys LET him do
anything...better luck next race



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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 10:38 AM



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"Ar" <Ar@::1.t> wrote in message
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I am disgusted at the start that both the Ferrari drivers pulled off
at the start of today's grand prix. Where they asleep or something?
Leaving huge gaps for others to drive into is unforgiveable.
They certainly know how to make the rookie look good.
nah...rookie made them look bad
Lewis was so cool, but he couldn't have done it without Kimi giving him
space on the inside nor kept it if Massa hadn't, totally unnecessarily
outbraked himself later.
Lewis tricked him into that move! that's what you get for posting
before the press conference LOL


Could you know less about racing?

ok lets try slowly...lewis goes faster than normal into the corner, and
has to break absolutely on the limit (lock a wheel or two) to make the
corner...massa, going faster is trying to catch up and pass, and turn
the corner...now if lewis went a little slower, massa might have been
able to pull out the pass...kudos to lewis to do this absolutely on the
limit and send massa to go grass-cutting ...now you might be a racing
master in your mind, so if you see it any different, please enlighten us


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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 11:05 AM



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I am disgusted at the start that both the Ferrari drivers pulled
off
at the start of today's grand prix. Where they asleep or
something?
Leaving huge gaps for others to drive into is unforgiveable.
They certainly know how to make the rookie look good.
nah...rookie made them look bad
Lewis was so cool, but he couldn't have done it without Kimi giving
him space on the inside nor kept it if Massa hadn't, totally
unnecessarily outbraked himself later.

get over the fact that the days of intentionally punting the faster
drivers are over

WTF...oh you're on a soapbox. What a bore.
"cry more noob"
You have me at a loss your rant is absolutely meaningless and out of
place. Clearly it is you who has something to get over.

whine, whine, excuses, whine...is all im seeing...oh yeah, and failure to
admit your team lost fair and square


Who exactly do you think my team is? You are supreme in your ignorance!

Pull your head in before you lose it.


thanks for the advice


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Default Re: Ferrari's start at Malaysia - 04-08-2007 , 11:14 AM



On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:33:03 +0200, RzR <2r4z0r2 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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get over the fact that the days of intentionally punting the faster
drivers are over

WTF...oh you're on a soapbox. What a bore.
"cry more noob"

You have me at a loss your rant is absolutely meaningless and out of place.

Dunno Bird, i understood what he meant perfectly. #1 driver of a red
car, close to another and yet, no casualties. That's a new thing. ;-p

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in your weakass mind maybe ...the thing is...as soon as hamilton
breaked hard the second time and turned the corner, and massa flew to
the grass, the initial thought was "he baited him", which turned out to
be true later, so it was hamilton that caused massa to think that there
was an oportunity to overtake, and there really wasnt...to me it looks
like superb move by hamilton, just like it was at start, and i can just
laugh at the sad explanations that ferrari boys LET him do
anything...better luck next race

He nipped under Kimi and that was ok, but Massa he should have never
passed. Massa screwed up royally and that is what gave Hamilton the
position. Even after that, LH was slower than Massa, it's just that
again and again, Massa screwed up. Kimi could do bugger all so close
behind two cars fighting for a position and by the time he could have,
LH was up to speed and too hard to handle. The kid is really that
good.
It just shows that you need a bit of luck. Lewis is turning out to be
all that was predicted. The only thing that bothers me now is that
thing he said about "tricking Massa". We can argue all day about that,
but it looks to me as if LH is starting to play media mind games
already and i really don't like that bullshit..

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