Alonso telemetry (??)

So far I haven't seen it in any credible publication,
but allegedly Alonso's telemetry proves FA braked
in exactly the same spot the last four laps prior to
the DC incident.

Would explain the stewards' decision.



Sven.
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To get behind this sun and cast my weight,
All I need is a peace of this mind,
Then I can celebrate.

On 01 Jul 2003 12:37:31 +0200, Sven Reloaded
<sbaumer (AT) informatik (DOT) uni-ulm.de.SpAm.Me.NoT> wrote:

So far I haven't seen it in any credible publication,
but allegedly Alonso's telemetry proves FA braked
in exactly the same spot the last four laps prior to
the DC incident.

Would explain the stewards' decision.

He does seem to have had brake problems although, curiously, I could
find no mention of that on the Renault site. I don't think he would
have been stupid enough to brake test DC there. If he did, he would go
down a lot in my estimation...

David

In article <oiznjy8rdg.fsf (AT) theory (DOT) informatik.uni-ulm.de>,
sbaumer (AT) informatik (DOT) uni-ulm.de.SpAm.Me.NoT says...

So far I haven't seen it in any credible publication,
but allegedly Alonso's telemetry proves FA braked
in exactly the same spot the last four laps prior to
the DC incident.

Would explain the stewards' decision.

Well DC said something along the lines of *his* telemetry showing that
he braked 10 metres earlier. The incident is an 'unhappy' one - because
DC is not an idiot (well not *that* DC anyway ;p) and he was plainly
caught out. When you combine that with the obvious more than one change
of direction from Alonso *in the braking zone*, it's not pretty.

Oh - here is DC's quote :

"It's not like I just locked up and decided to turn right off the
circuit to avoid hitting him. I never even braked before I nearly hit
him and had to swerve off the circuit - and we know from my data that
that was ten metres earlier than it was on the lap before."

and Alonso said :

"I told them [stewards] I was having a few problems and slowed down a
bit earlier on that lap. But there were no serious problems with the
tyres or the car. David got a bit too close to me I think."

There's also the stopping on the apex at the last corner of the race.
*Very* odd - will *someone* bloodywell discuss this!!!!

--
CatharticF1

"Memory is a stranger,
History is for fools"

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:34:59 +0100, Treebeard
<gojphNOJUNKTHANKS (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:21:01 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net
wrote:

[snip]

Alonso said :

"I told them [stewards] I was having a few problems and slowed down a
bit earlier on that lap. But there were no serious problems with the
tyres or the car. David got a bit too close to me I think."

Interesting that he doesn't say what the problems were (and neither
does the Renault website) but must have been brakes, shirley...

There's also the stopping on the apex at the last corner of the race.
*Very* odd - will *someone* bloodywell discuss this!!!!

Seems to confirm that he was having brake problems. Either that or,
having successfully brake tested DC, he decided to pull the same stint
on MS...

Er, I meant "stunt", of course. Call me a daft cint by all means...

David

Sven Reloaded <sbaumer (AT) informatik (DOT) uni-ulm.de.SpAm.Me.NoT> wrote in
newsiznjy8rdg.fsf (AT) theory (DOT) informatik.uni-ulm.de:

So far I haven't seen it in any credible publication,
but allegedly Alonso's telemetry proves FA braked
in exactly the same spot the last four laps prior to
the DC incident.

Would explain the stewards' decision.



Sven.

I'm surprised nobody thought of this before :

1) Let's assume you are ALL in DC's car

2) You're smelling blood, your teammate is out, you're catching the guy in
front with little laps to finish the race

3) You're "in the drift" of the guy in front, your top speed increase

4) Since your speed is higher you HAVE to brake earlier (possibly 10m)

5) You're too close and the guy in front swerves to the "inside" of the
braking zone.

If it was US and I mean ALL of us we would have crashed Alonso, DC had a
good reflex and tried to avoid him but i think the first mistake was HIS
since he was drifting he SHOULD have braked earlier, when you're going 320
instead of 300 (no idea of the "real" speeds there, but you get the point)
then you HAVE to brake earlier...

"Sven Reloaded" <sbaumer (AT) informatik (DOT) uni-ulm.de.SpAm.Me.NoT> wrote

So far I haven't seen it in any credible publication,
but allegedly Alonso's telemetry proves FA braked
in exactly the same spot the last four laps prior to
the DC incident.

Would explain the stewards' decision.

would their decision take into account FA's current speed? he was going very
slowly compared to previous laps... braking at the same spot from a
substantially lower speed IMO amounts to breaking early

KK

"Txl" <txl@@free.fr> wrote

I'm surprised nobody thought of this before :

1) Let's assume you are ALL in DC's car

2) You're smelling blood, your teammate is out, you're catching the guy in
front with little laps to finish the race

3) You're "in the drift" of the guy in front, your top speed increase

4) Since your speed is higher you HAVE to brake earlier (possibly 10m)

5) You're too close and the guy in front swerves to the "inside" of the
braking zone.

If it was US and I mean ALL of us we would have crashed Alonso, DC had a
good reflex and tried to avoid him but i think the first mistake was HIS
since he was drifting he SHOULD have braked earlier, when you're going 320
instead of 300 (no idea of the "real" speeds there, but you get the point)
then you HAVE to brake earlier...

I think it's safe to say DC has the requisite experience not to make these
sorts of cock-ups

KK

"Sven Reloaded" <sbaumer (AT) informatik (DOT) uni-ulm.de.SpAm.Me.NoT> wrote

So far I haven't seen it in any credible publication,
but allegedly Alonso's telemetry proves FA braked
in exactly the same spot the last four laps prior to
the DC incident.

Would explain the stewards' decision.



Sven.
--
All I need is a little time,
To get behind this sun and cast my weight,
All I need is a peace of this mind,
Then I can celebrate.

From my armchair it was a combination of FA stopping a bit earlier than
normal while squeezing DC, with DC not prepared or anticipating FA's double
whammy. DC probably should've braked instead of veering to the right in
avoidance without braking, but it's all water under the bridge now.
Watch for DC to get his revenge at Magny-Coeur, dispatching the Spaniard
for a bit of pre-race gravel trap inspection at Elf with a timely elbow.

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sbaumer (AT) informatik (DOT) uni-ulm.de.SpAm.Me.NoT says...
<snip>

There's also the stopping on the apex at the last corner of the race.
*Very* odd - will *someone* bloodywell discuss this!!!!

?? What happened? I wasn't really paying much attention to the
race.

There was a queue of cars behind Alonso and on the apex of the very last
corner of the race they suddenly all bunched up even more, MS nearly
making contact with the back of Alonso's car. Alonso's car didn't *look*
like it was moving about at all (that is - I couldn't see any reason for
it..). Then Alonso seemed to accelerate away and fishtail out of the
corner, safely to the finish line.

--
CatharticF1

"Memory is a stranger,
History is for fools"

There was a queue of cars behind Alonso and on the apex of the very last
corner of the race they suddenly all bunched up even more, MS nearly
making contact with the back of Alonso's car. Alonso's car didn't *look*
like it was moving about at all (that is - I couldn't see any reason for
it..). Then Alonso seemed to accelerate away and fishtail out of the
corner, safely to the finish line.

Is there a rule against brake testing the car behind?