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Re: Montoya vs Schumi
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Re: Montoya vs Schumi -
06-30-2003
, 08:23 PM
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Aloha, One side says one person is at fault. The other side says the other person is at fault. The racer(s) even say it was just a racing accident. It happens. I dislike Montoya and even I am objective enough to see that he was the car in front at the time of impact. Note the qualifier in that phrase....."AT THE TIME OF IMPACT." The cars involved have the nose in front, followed by the front wing(s), then the front tire. Schumi hit JPM in the tire, with his wing. Look at the film, even Bob will not be able to argue that point. In order for MS's wing to hit JPM's tire, the wing of his car would have had to be even with the tire. For that to occur, MS MUST have been behind JPM by anywhere from a foot, to maybe 3 foot. I dont like JPM, and I hate having to defend him, but the physical facts do not lie. He was ahead of MS by a little less than a meter at the time of impact. Dammit, when is Porsche going to get involved in F1? Larry |
It quickly escalates into personal insults, and irate reactions, and I really
do not see a reason for it and find little reason to read the group.
Schumacher's tires seemed bad. Monty was all over him and got on the outside.
Gave him enough room, but for whatever reason (tires?) Michael's car oversteered
into Montoya's.
Michael lost out. Montoya gained time, as he would have lost more time being
stuck behind Schumacher for the rest of the race.
But whatever. Next weekend is another race. My life is unaffected by who wins
the race/WDC/whatever. Sure I feel happy/sad/whatever, but to get as irate
as some people get here is unreal to me. My advice is go outside (It's summer!!),
look at the pretty girls, and enjoy the smell of freshly cut grass.
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Aloha, I haven't been out to the islands in a couple of years, but you surely do live in a lovely spot from which to criticize my favorite driver. In all honesty, I like all the lads, but I am partial to Juan. If I might snip Well, most people who do not like JPM are the ones who have forgotten |
Arnoux, Mansell, Piquet, G Villeneuve, Senna and other maniac drivers
roamed the race tracks. Nowdays though, with him arriving on the scene
everyone is shell shocked, because the bastard *does race* and we're
just not used to that sort of brutality..
FW's comment on F1-Live says it all.
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...30151719.shtml
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I thought Juan Pablo's overtaking manoeuvre was the sort that we
should see every race, every time," said Williams. "That is the way it
should be done, you know: 'watch out when Juan's about'. It's tough to
call on Michael and I am not gloating, but few people sadly overtake
where Juan Pablo ever dares to overtake. Television needs racing, a
lot of racing, a lot of overtaking, not 'after you mate'.
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P.S. I lived on Oahu + Maui as a boy. I frequent the Big Island whenever I can. Where are you? Actally IIRC, he is nowhere near Hawaii. He is just using that "aloha" |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:23:01 GMT, "JD" <jdhi (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Aloha, I haven't been out to the islands in a couple of years, but you surely do live in a lovely spot from which to criticize my favorite driver. In all honesty, I like all the lads, but I am partial to Juan. If I might snip Well, most people who do not like JPM are the ones who have forgotten what racing used to be 10-20 years ago. You know, when people like Arnoux, Mansell, Piquet, G Villeneuve, Senna and other maniac drivers roamed the race tracks. Nowdays though, with him arriving on the scene everyone is shell shocked, because the bastard *does race* and we're just not used to that sort of brutality.. FW's comment on F1-Live says it all. http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...30151719.shtml quote I thought Juan Pablo's overtaking manoeuvre was the sort that we should see every race, every time," said Williams. "That is the way it should be done, you know: 'watch out when Juan's about'. It's tough to call on Michael and I am not gloating, but few people sadly overtake where Juan Pablo ever dares to overtake. Television needs racing, a lot of racing, a lot of overtaking, not 'after you mate'. end quote P.S. I lived on Oahu + Maui as a boy. I frequent the Big Island whenever I can. Where are you? Actally IIRC, he is nowhere near Hawaii. He is just using that "aloha" thing as a pick up line around here. Careful. ;-p |
All he needs apparently is a car to be a second off the pace to make an
incredible, amazing, breathtaking pass.
Unfortunately RB wasn't, and JPM sat behind him for 35 laps.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Desperate nitwits. RS beats him in every way a driver is measured. Keep
living in denial though. Three years now for you.
David G Fisher
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In article <20030630202014.00935.00001908 (AT) mb-m18 (DOT) aol.com>, AkaZilla wrote: Aloha, One side says one person is at fault. The other side says the other person is at fault. The racer(s) even say it was just a racing accident. It happens. I dislike Montoya and even I am objective enough to see that he was the car in front at the time of impact. Note the qualifier in that phrase....."AT THE TIME OF IMPACT." The cars involved have the nose in front, followed by the front wing(s), then the front tire. Schumi hit JPM in the tire, with his wing. Look at the film, even Bob will not be able to argue that point. In order for MS's wing to hit JPM's tire, the wing of his car would have had to be even with the tire. For that to occur, MS MUST have been behind JPM by anywhere from a foot, to maybe 3 foot. I dont like JPM, and I hate having to defend him, but the physical facts do not lie. He was ahead of MS by a little less than a meter at the time of impact. Dammit, when is Porsche going to get involved in F1? Larry I found it kind of disturbing how personal most people here took their arguments. It quickly escalates into personal insults, and irate reactions, and I really do not see a reason for it and find little reason to read the group. Schumacher's tires seemed bad. Monty was all over him and got on the outside. Gave him enough room, but for whatever reason (tires?) Michael's car oversteered into Montoya's. Michael lost out. Montoya gained time, as he would have lost more time being stuck behind Schumacher for the rest of the race. But whatever. Next weekend is another race. My life is unaffected by who wins the race/WDC/whatever. Sure I feel happy/sad/whatever, but to get as irate as some people get here is unreal to me. My advice is go outside (It's summer!!), look at the pretty girls, and enjoy the smell of freshly cut grass. |
a state of perspiration with the fecking lawnmower, haven't you....
Doc
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All he needs apparently is a car to be a second off the pace to make an incredible, amazing, breathtaking pass. |
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FW's comment on F1-Live says it all. http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...30151719.shtml quote I thought Juan Pablo's overtaking manoeuvre was the sort that we should see every race, every time," said Williams. "That is the way it should be done, you know: 'watch out when Juan's about'. It's tough to call on Michael and I am not gloating, but few people sadly overtake where Juan Pablo ever dares to overtake. Television needs racing, a lot of racing, a lot of overtaking, not 'after you mate'. <end quote |
Ralf's failure to have a go at Michael, that is a very striking comment.
Does anyone think we will see Ralf still in the Williams next year?
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But whatever. Next weekend is another race. My life is unaffected by who wins the race/WDC/whatever. Sure I feel happy/sad/whatever, but to get as irate as some people get here is unreal to me. My advice is go outside (It's summer!!), look at the pretty girls, and enjoy the smell of freshly cut grass. |
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