Re: Renault too ?

#21

Bob Dubery <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:f40ff5f1-c9e8-41be-aba8-b4d3c8e56425 (AT) m38g2000yqd (DOT) googlegroups.com:

Quote:

On Nov 5, 8:10*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
innews:a7036ed0-c859-4e00-9991-f1db
41a1bbf8 (AT) f16g2000yqm (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 7:04*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Alister <alis... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in news:amhIm.45993$7Y2.14700
@newsfe27.ams2:

On 11/04/09 10:49, Noj wrote:

"...Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to
discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are
that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision
to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if
it wished..."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003

No cheating teams left in F1?

the red cars are till there

Britpack alert..

There's that good old nationality card being played again. Don't
have a good argument?

Oh you just know that ain't the case.

Just play that nationality card.

What - you don't see the selectivity of calling Ferrari cheats and
ignoring McLaren's conviction in 2007 and lying at the start of 2009?

I was addressing the way that the argument descended to nationality.
Calling Ferrari cheats may be selective, but it's nothing to do with
nationality (unless you say something like "typical wop cheats".)

Nonsense - it's just more subtle.

Quote:

You didn't address the selectivity either. You just played that good
old Britpack card.

Bob it's not about my views on Nationality or Race. All of my ancestory
is British, I could hardly hate myself. Unless I were Bird.

It's about the boorish parochial attitude of those who say all that is
British is fine, sporting and deserving of praise and that all else
should be derided. So those foreign chappies in Italy and that nasty
Spanish - and worse German - driver are despised. The posters here who
fit the bill will have many other thinly veiled reasons for their views,
but it's transparent.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#22

CatharticF1 wrote:

Quote:

Bob Dubery <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:f40ff5f1-c9e8-41be-aba8-b4d3c8e56425 (AT) m38g2000yqd (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 8:10 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
innews:a7036ed0-c859-4e00-9991-f1db
41a1bbf8 (AT) f16g2000yqm (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 7:04 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Alister <alis... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in news:amhIm.45993$7Y2.14700
@newsfe27.ams2:
On 11/04/09 10:49, Noj wrote:
"...Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to
discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are
that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision
to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if
it wished..."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003
No cheating teams left in F1?
the red cars are till there
Britpack alert..
There's that good old nationality card being played again. Don't
have a good argument?
Oh you just know that ain't the case.

Just play that nationality card.
What - you don't see the selectivity of calling Ferrari cheats and
ignoring McLaren's conviction in 2007 and lying at the start of 2009?

I was addressing the way that the argument descended to nationality.
Calling Ferrari cheats may be selective, but it's nothing to do with
nationality (unless you say something like "typical wop cheats".)

Nonsense - it's just more subtle.

You didn't address the selectivity either. You just played that good
old Britpack card.

Bob it's not about my views on Nationality or Race. All of my ancestory
is British, I could hardly hate myself. Unless I were Bird.

It's about the boorish parochial attitude of those who say all that is
British is fine, sporting and deserving of praise and that all else
should be derided. So those foreign chappies in Italy and that nasty
Spanish - and worse German - driver are despised. The posters here who
fit the bill will have many other thinly veiled reasons for their views,
but it's transparent.

Hold on, who invented the term "Britpack"?

As for that "German", well, he was a cheat, wasn't he?

Whatever, as a citizen of the whole wide universe, let alone the whole
wide world, I absolutely could not give a toss, stuff, damn about
nationality or race. All are equal in my eyes.

Wake up and smell the future - it's a nation state free planet. Eventually.

--

Chris

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

#23

mower man <nospam (AT) f2s (DOT) com> wrote in
news:T6qdnbpVdLlK8m7XnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d (AT) pipex (DOT) net:

Quote:

CatharticF1 wrote:
Bob Dubery <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:f40ff5f1-c9e8-41be-aba8-b4d3c8e56425 (AT) m38g2000yqd (DOT) googlegroups.com
:

On Nov 5, 8:10 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
innews:a7036ed0-c859-4e00-9991-f1db
41a1bbf8 (AT) f16g2000yqm (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 7:04 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Alister <alis... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in news:amhIm.45993$7Y2.14700
@newsfe27.ams2:
On 11/04/09 10:49, Noj wrote:
"...Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to
discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are
that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision
to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if
it wished..."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003
No cheating teams left in F1? the red cars are till there
Britpack alert..
There's that good old nationality card being played again. Don't
have a good argument?
Oh you just know that ain't the case.

Just play that nationality card.
What - you don't see the selectivity of calling Ferrari cheats and
ignoring McLaren's conviction in 2007 and lying at the start of
2009?

I was addressing the way that the argument descended to nationality.
Calling Ferrari cheats may be selective, but it's nothing to do with
nationality (unless you say something like "typical wop cheats".)

Nonsense - it's just more subtle.

You didn't address the selectivity either. You just played that good
old Britpack card.

Bob it's not about my views on Nationality or Race. All of my
ancestory is British, I could hardly hate myself. Unless I were Bird.

It's about the boorish parochial attitude of those who say all that
is British is fine, sporting and deserving of praise and that all
else should be derided. So those foreign chappies in Italy and that
nasty Spanish - and worse German - driver are despised. The posters
here who fit the bill will have many other thinly veiled reasons for
their views, but it's transparent.

Hold on, who invented the term "Britpack"?

Yep - but the term is not about disliking the British, it's about those
here who are prejudiced against everyone _else_, Chris.

Quote:

As for that "German", well, he was a cheat, wasn't he?

Whatever, as a citizen of the whole wide universe, let alone the whole
wide world, I absolutely could not give a toss, stuff, damn about
nationality or race. All are equal in my eyes.

Wake up and smell the future - it's a nation state free planet.
Eventually.

Umm - that's sort of my point, we're talking at cross purposes.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#24

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:38 +1100, mower man <nospam (AT) f2s (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

CatharticF1 wrote:
Bob Dubery <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:f40ff5f1-c9e8-41be-aba8-b4d3c8e56425 (AT) m38g2000yqd (DOT) googlegroups.com:
On Nov 5, 8:10 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
innews:a7036ed0-c859-4e00-9991-f1db
41a1bbf8 (AT) f16g2000yqm (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 7:04 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Alister <alis... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in news:amhIm.45993$7Y2.14700
@newsfe27.ams2:
On 11/04/09 10:49, Noj wrote:
"...Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to
discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are
that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision
to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if
it wished..." http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003
No cheating teams left in F1?
the red cars are till there
Britpack alert..
There's that good old nationality card being played again. Don't
have a good argument?
Oh you just know that ain't the case.

Just play that nationality card.
What - you don't see the selectivity of calling Ferrari cheats and
ignoring McLaren's conviction in 2007 and lying at the start of 2009?

I was addressing the way that the argument descended to nationality.
Calling Ferrari cheats may be selective, but it's nothing to do with
nationality (unless you say something like "typical wop cheats".)
Nonsense - it's just more subtle.

You didn't address the selectivity either. You just played that good
old Britpack card.
Bob it's not about my views on Nationality or Race. All of my
ancestory is British, I could hardly hate myself. Unless I were Bird.
It's about the boorish parochial attitude of those who say all that is
British is fine, sporting and deserving of praise and that all else
should be derided. So those foreign chappies in Italy and that nasty
Spanish - and worse German - driver are despised. The posters here who
fit the bill will have many other thinly veiled reasons for their
views, but it's transparent.

Hold on, who invented the term "Britpack"?

As for that "German", well, he was a cheat, wasn't he?

Whatever, as a citizen of the whole wide universe, let alone the whole
wide world, I absolutely could not give a toss, stuff, damn about
nationality or race. All are equal in my eyes.

Wake up and smell the future - it's a nation state free planet.
Eventually.

As I said earlier.

I am an Earthman.
--
Cheers,
Dave

Don't touch me unless you love me.

#25

CatharticF1 wrote:

Quote:

Yep - but the term is not about disliking the British, it's about
those here who are prejudiced against everyone else, Chris.

As opposed to those who are prejudiced against, say, someone of a
different colour?

--
Paul-B

#26

On 6 Nov, 00:29, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote innews:f40ff5f1-c9e8-41be-aba8-b4d3c8e56425 (AT) m38g2000yqd (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 8:10*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Bob Dubery <megap... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
innews:a7036ed0-c859-4e00-9991-f1db
41a1b... (AT) f16g2000yqm (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On Nov 5, 7:04*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Alister <alis... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in news:amhIm.45993$7Y2.14700
@newsfe27.ams2:

On 11/04/09 10:49, Noj wrote:

"...Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to
discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are
that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision
to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if
it wished..."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003

No cheating teams left in F1?

the red cars are till there

Britpack alert..

There's that good old nationality card being played again. Don't
have a good argument?

Oh you just know that ain't the case.

Just play that nationality card.

What - you don't see the selectivity of calling Ferrari cheats and
ignoring McLaren's conviction in 2007 and lying at the start of 2009?

I was addressing the way that the argument descended to nationality.
Calling Ferrari cheats may be selective, but it's nothing to do with
nationality (unless you say something like "typical wop cheats".)

Nonsense - it's just more subtle.

You didn't address the selectivity either. You just played that good
old Britpack card.

Bob it's not about my views on Nationality or Race. All of my ancestory
is British, I could hardly hate myself. Unless I were Bird.

It's about the boorish parochial attitude of those who say all that is
British is fine, sporting and deserving of praise and that all else
should be derided.

Yes, I'm a Brit and I find it the same as you. It's especially bad
among expats. I spent a lot of time living abroad (ie not in UK) and
it really is annoying. I always used to wonder why, if things were so
good back in UK, why didn't they just fuck off back home instead of
moaning about everything where they were?

Quote:

So those foreign chappies in Italy and that nasty
Spanish - and worse German - driver are despised

That's wrong. My Grandad fought in the war. Even so, he had nothing
against Germans until the day he died in 1989.

Mike P

#27

In article <T6qdnbpVdLlK8m7XnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d (AT) pipex (DOT) net>, nospam (AT) f2s (DOT) com
says...

Quote:

Wake up and smell the future - it's a nation state free planet. Eventually.

Not until our extraterrestrial overlords arrive I'm afraid..

--
Tony.

#28

Tony Gartshore wrote:

Quote:

In article <T6qdnbpVdLlK8m7XnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d (AT) pipex (DOT) net>, nospam (AT) f2s (DOT) com
says...
Wake up and smell the future - it's a nation state free planet. Eventually.

Not until our extraterrestrial overlords arrive I'm afraid..

Eventually.

--

Chris

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

#29

"Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in news:7li28gF3duhv0U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net:

Quote:

CatharticF1 wrote:

Yep - but the term is not about disliking the British, it's about
those here who are prejudiced against everyone else, Chris.

As opposed to those who are prejudiced against, say, someone of a
different colour?

The fact that he was an arrogant two faced spin doctored arse for the first
season and a half and that the rest of the sentient universe saw the same
thing as I - but later - is of course lost on you.

Like all Britpackers you can't take criticism of your idols and will paint
the rest of the world with shit to avoid considering an alternative view.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#30

On Nov 4, 5:47*pm, Alister <alis... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On 11/04/09 10:49, Noj wrote:

"...Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to discuss
its future plans today. Although the indications are that the French
company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision to pull out could give
Renault an opportunity to follow suit if it wished..."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003

No cheating teams left in F1?

the red cars are till there

But they're only committed until 2012. Montezemolo has been saying
that they are giving themselves until then to consider their options.

Come to think of it, ALL teams are in the same position - not
committed to F1 past the 2012 season. Ferrari are being especially
vocal about it though.