Rubens and McLaren

#21

"GS" <GS (AT) nospam (DOT) con> wrote

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"CatharticF1" <rasf1poster (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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OK - to extrapolate then. McLaren presumably wanted him to play the same
role for Lewis..?

I don't think so, Rubens made it clear a number of times today he would
not play the #2 driver again and I don't think even the McLaren bosses are
daft enough to try and employ him in that role.

The he is crazy. He had a chance of winning the WDC this year even if he was
#2 to Button.
Nobody cares who is #1 or #2 if your team is consistently finishing midfield
or at the back.

FS

#22

"Simon says" <Wcub4 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

On 6 nov, 04:15, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Seems McLaren had talks with him after he'd already signed for Williams.

So that's pretty clear - none of you chaps consider Rubens a #2, right?

http://tinyurl.com/ybwtdwu

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"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

It's too put pressure on Kimi not to demand too much money if you knew
anything about doing business. Everybody knows that, so why can't you?

Quote:

http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/10/29/exclusive-ferrari-f2010-f61-preview/

Rubens would make a fine #2 at Ferrari.

"After the disappointing 2009 season Ferrari is willing to re-install
a system that is similar to that of the Schumacher era a policy

Ferrari have been both loved and criticized for – both for leaving and
implementing. Everything will be built around one superstar. Will let
you debate on who that is going to be but it’s not hard to imagine. "

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So Ferrari is going to focus 100% on Alonso while Massa is getting
screwed over. Seems Rubens would fit excellent there.

How is Massa getting screwed over? He still has to prove that he can race
again, and may still turn out to be a lame duck.
You can't blame Ferrari for hedging their bets.

FS

#23

On Nov 6, 9:15*am, "For Sure" <f...@y.z> wrote:

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"CatharticF1" <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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OK - to extrapolate then. McLaren presumably wanted him to play the same
role for Lewis..?

I don't think so, Rubens made it clear a number of times today he would
not play the #2 driver again and I don't think even the McLaren bosses are
daft enough to try and employ him in that role.

The he is crazy. He had a chance of winning the WDC this year even if he was
#2 to Button.
Nobody cares who is #1 or #2 if your team is consistently finishing midfield
or at the back.

FS

This says more to me about McLaren not having a clue about who they
will end up signing to sit alongside LH next year than Rubens'
qualities. It seems its going to be a difficult seat to fill. If KR
doesn't go there, who would McLaren actually want? Button / LH is a
great pairing, but I can't see that happening. I would have thought
Rosberg would be a good fit as a driver, but otherwise who is there?

Matt

#24

larkim wrote:

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On Nov 6, 9:15*am, "For Sure" <f...@y.z> wrote:
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"CatharticF1" <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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OK - to extrapolate then. McLaren presumably wanted him to play
the same >> role for Lewis..?

I don't think so, Rubens made it clear a number of times today he
would not play the #2 driver again and I don't think even the
McLaren bosses are daft enough to try and employ him in that role.

The he is crazy. He had a chance of winning the WDC this year even
if he was #2 to Button.
Nobody cares who is #1 or #2 if your team is consistently finishing
midfield or at the back.

FS

This says more to me about McLaren not having a clue about who they
will end up signing to sit alongside LH next year than Rubens'
qualities. It seems its going to be a difficult seat to fill. If KR
doesn't go there, who would McLaren actually want? Button / LH is a
great pairing, but I can't see that happening. I would have thought
Rosberg would be a good fit as a driver, but otherwise who is there?

Matt

Rosberg is going to Brawn.

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#25

On Nov 6, 5:43*am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Simon says <Wc... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote innews:1bd1acc8-5b82-43ca-ae1a-255fe4012cc7 (AT) s31g2000yqs (DOT) googlegroups.com:

On 6 nov, 04:15, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Seems McLaren had talks with him after he'd already signed for
Williams.

So that's pretty clear - none of you chaps consider Rubens a #2,
right?

http://tinyurl.com/ybwtdwu

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A
%2F%
2Fwww.thef1.com%2Fnoticias%2Fnoticias-2009%2Fnoviembre-2009%2Frubens-
barrichello-rechazo-a-mclaren-por-williams

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CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

It's too put pressure on Kimi not to demand too much money if you knew
anything about doing business. Everybody knows that, so why can't you?

Yes - I had heard that and not brought it up because neither Kimi nor
his manager (he's rather good you may recall) would be even slightly
rattled by Rubens.

And I'm sure that even though you don't know that, McLaren do.

http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/10/29/exclusive-ferrari-f2010-f61-previe
w/

Rubens would make a fine #2 at Ferrari.

"After the disappointing 2009 season Ferrari is willing to re-install
a system that is similar to that of the Schumacher era a policy
Ferrari have been both loved and criticized for – both for leaving and
implementing. *Everything will be built around one superstar. Will let
you debate on who that is going to be but it’s not hard to imagine. "

So Ferrari is going to focus 100% on Alonso while Massa is getting
screwed over. Seems Rubens would fit excellent there.

A little bit touchy, huh?

Most are acknowledging Alonso may have it tough with an entrenched and
politically well supported Massa. And Ferrari have two drivers capable
of the WDC.

But I suspect the possibility that McLaren might continue to mimic
Ferrari's much derided _former_ policy is too much for you to bear.

You're projecting again.

Quote:

Poor dear.

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CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#26

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On Nov 6, 9:15 am, "For Sure" <f...@y.z> wrote:
This says more to me about McLaren not having a clue about who they
will end up signing to sit alongside LH next year than Rubens'
qualities. It seems its going to be a difficult seat to fill. If KR
doesn't go there, who would McLaren actually want? Button / LH is a
great pairing, but I can't see that happening. I would have thought
Rosberg would be a good fit as a driver, but otherwise who is there?

Matt

Heidfeld.

#27

On Nov 6, 11:59*am, Noj <m... (AT) nomail (DOT) afraid.org> wrote:

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larkim wrote...

On Nov 6, 9:15*am, "For Sure" <f...@y.z> wrote:
"GS" <G... (AT) nospam (DOT) con> wrote in message

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"CatharticF1" <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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OK - to extrapolate then. McLaren presumably wanted him to play the same
role for Lewis..?

I don't think so, Rubens made it clear a number of times today he would
not play the #2 driver again and I don't think even the McLaren bosses are
daft enough to try and employ him in that role.

The he is crazy. He had a chance of winning the WDC this year even ifhe was
#2 to Button.
Nobody cares who is #1 or #2 if your team is consistently finishing midfield
or at the back.

FS

This says more to me about McLaren not having a clue about who they
will end up signing to sit alongside LH next year than Rubens'
qualities. *It seems its going to be a difficult seat to fill. *If KR
doesn't go there, who would McLaren actually want? *Button / LH is a
great pairing, but I can't see that happening. *I would have thought
Rosberg would be a good fit as a driver, but otherwise who is there?

Adrian Sutil & Nick Heidfeld for starters.

Sutil would be a certain front runner. *Heidfeld accumilates points. *
Both would be ideal No 2 drivers for LH.

I'd take Sutil, but Heidfeld? No way, he's Heikki in disguise. You
want someone who in any other team would be the #1 driver, but who
isn't currently a DWC contender. Heidfeld would be a good fit for a
new team that needs experience.

I can't find any references to Sutil being lined up with a move -
Wikipedia notes that he is most likely to remain with FI next year
(taking Wikipedia with the usual scepticism).

What do McLaren want from a driver to pair with LH? What they don't
want is someone like Heikki. If their car is good, anyone half decent
(and I include Heikki in that) will accumulate points. What they want
is a pairing like Massa and Schumacher - when #1 is having an off-day,
they want the #2 to win races, not to potter around and come in 4th or
5th.

I know Rosberg is allegedly close to signing for Brawn, but if I were
him I'd head straight for Woking and sign on the dotted line.

Matt

#28

I think it's a shame he's signed for Williams. I'd be very happy for
him to win WDC next year after the crap he's had to put up with for
the last 6-7 years. But he's not going to do that in a Williams,
unless Frank has some secret development going on.

Mike Gooding
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#29

Mike Gooding wrote:

Quote:

I think it's a shame he's signed for Williams. I'd be very happy for
him to win WDC next year after the crap he's had to put up with for
the last 6-7 years. But he's not going to do that in a Williams,
unless Frank has some secret development going on.

Mike Gooding
----------------------

"Crap"? Hardly, driving 2 championship-winning cars is hardly "having
to put up with crap".

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#30

"Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in
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build wrote:

On Nov 6, 2:15*pm, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Seems McLaren had talks with him after he'd already signed for
Williams.

So that's pretty clear - none of you chaps consider Rubens a #2,
right?

http://tinyurl.com/ybwtdwu

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F
%
2Fwww.thef1.com%2Fnoticias%2Fnoticias-2009%2Fnoviembre-2009%2Frubens
- barrichello-rechazo-a-mclaren-por-williams

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CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

Get serious !
Rubins would never ever sign with McLaren.
That is just silly.

No, not silly. Fact. If Rubens had been unable to get a seat in a good
team and was offered one at McLaren, proven race-winners and looking
good for 2010, do you seriously think he'd say "no" and walk away from
F1?

What kind of dream world are you living in?

No dream at all. He *knows* he would have to be a #2 driver to Hamilton

and his father. Somethings he'd retire from F1 rather than do again.