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A season of two halves
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A season of two halves -
11-02-2009
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In recent weeks there have been lots of comments about how Hamilton (& Räikkönen) have scored more points than others in the second half of the season. With 17 GPs there was no real halfway point, but for the sake of argument let's say that the first half ended after Silverstone, round 8. These are the points gathered in the two halves: * * * * * * * * * * * 1 * *2 * 3 * 4 * 5 * 6 * 7 * 8 2009 * * * * * * * * AUS *MAL CHN BRN ESP MON TUR GBR ================================================== === *64 * *J Button * * * 10 *5.0 *6 *10 *10 *10 *10 * 3 *41 * *R Barrichello * 8 *2.0 *5 * 4 * 8 * 8 * - * 6 *39 * *S Vettel * * * *- *- * 10 * 8 * 5 * - * 6 *10 *35.5 *M Webber * * * *- *1.5 *8 * - * 6 * 4 * 8 * 8 *21.5 *J Trulli * * * *6 *2.5 *- * 6 * - * - * 5 * 2 *16 * *F Massa * * * * - *- * *- * - * 3 * 5 * 3 * 5 *15.5 *N Rosberg * * * 3 *0.5 *- * - * 1 * 3 * 4 * 4 *13 * *T Glock * * * * 5 *3.0 *2 * 2 * - * - * 1 * - *11 * *F Alonso * * * *4 *- * *- * 1 * 4 * 2 * - * - *10 * *K Räikkönen * * - *- * *- * 3 * - * 6 * - * 1 * 9 * *L Hamilton * * *- *1.0 *3 * 5 * - * - * - * - * 6 * *N Heidfeld * * *- *4.0 *- * - * 2 * - * - * - * 4 * *H Kovalainen * *- *- * *4 * - * - * - * - * - * 3 * *S Buemi * * * * 2 *- * *1 * - * - * - * - * - * 2 * *R Kubica * * * *- *- * *- * - * - * - * 2 * - * 2 * *S Bourdais * * *1 *- * *- * - * - * 1 * - * - * * * * * * * * * * * 9 *10 *11 *12 *13 *14 *15 *16 *17 2009 * * * * * * * * GER HUN EUR BEL ITA SIN JPN BRA ABD ================================================== ====== *45 * *S Vettel * * * *8 * - * - * 6 * 1 * 5 *10 * 5 *10 *40 * *L Hamilton * * *- *10 * 8 * - * - *10 * 6 * 6 * - *38 * *K Räikkönen * * - * 8 * 6 *10 * 6 * - * 5 * 3 * - *36 * *R Barrichello * 3 * - *10 * 2 *10 * 3 * 2 * 1 * 5 *34 * *M Webber * * * 10 * 6 * - * - * - * - * - *10 * 8 *31 * *J Button * * * *4 * 2 * 2 * - * 8 * 4 * 1 * 4 * 6 *19 * *N Rosberg * * * 5 * 5 * 4 * 1 * - * - * 4 * - * - *18 * *H Kovalainen * *1 * 4 * 5 * 3 * 3 * 2 * - * - * - *15 * *F Alonso * * * *2 * - * 3 * - * 4 * 6 * - * - * - *15 * *R Kubica * * * *- * - * 1 * 5 * - * 1 * - * 8 * - *13 * *N Heidfeld * * *- * - * - * 4 * 2 * - * 3 * - * 4 *11 * *J Trulli * * * *- * 1 * - * - * - * - * 8 * - * 2 *11 * *T Glock * * * * - * 3 * - * - * - * 8 * - * - * - * 8 * *G Fisichella * *- * - * - * 8 * - * - * - * - * - * 6 * *F Massa * * * * 6 * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * 5 * *A Sutil * * * * - * - * - * - * 5 * - * - * - * - * 3 * *S Buemi * * * * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * 2 * 1 * 3 * *K Kobayashi * * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * 3 -- Brian W Lawrence Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK Brian_W_Lawre... (AT) msn (DOT) com |
interested?) help with, and the other just an observation.
Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side
of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half
way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs?
Anyone different?
Secondly, that Brawn (and the drivers) might not have been as dominant
towards the end of the season, but boy were they reliable. Only one
race in the year where Button didn't score a point, and there he was
punted off. Even Rubens only had two nul points all season (I forget
the reasons). Set that off agains the next best, and no-one comes
close. 3 nul points for the team, compared to 12 nul points for Red
Bull. As drivers, only Vettel (5) and Rosberg (6) got close.
Matt
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In recent weeks there have been lots of comments about how Hamilton (& Räikkönen) have scored more points than others in the second half of the season. With 17 GPs there was no real halfway point, but for the sake of argument let's say that the first half ended after Silverstone, round 8. These are the points gathered in the two halves: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2009 AUS MAL CHN BRN ESP MON TUR GBR ================================================== === 64 J Button 10 5.0 6 10 10 10 10 3 41 R Barrichello 8 2.0 5 4 8 8 - 6 39 S Vettel - - 10 8 5 - 6 10 35.5 M Webber - 1.5 8 - 6 4 8 8 21.5 J Trulli 6 2.5 - 6 - - 5 2 16 F Massa - - - - 3 5 3 5 15.5 N Rosberg 3 0.5 - - 1 3 4 4 13 T Glock 5 3.0 2 2 - - 1 - 11 F Alonso 4 - - 1 4 2 - - 10 K Räikkönen - - - 3 - 6 - 1 9 L Hamilton - 1.0 3 5 - - - - 6 N Heidfeld - 4.0 - - 2 - - - 4 H Kovalainen - - 4 - - - - - 3 S Buemi 2 - 1 - - - - - 2 R Kubica - - - - - - 2 - 2 S Bourdais 1 - - - - 1 - - 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 2009 GER HUN EUR BEL ITA SIN JPN BRA ABD ================================================== ====== 45 S Vettel 8 - - 6 1 5 10 5 10 40 L Hamilton - 10 8 - - 10 6 6 - 38 K Räikkönen - 8 6 10 6 - 5 3 - 36 R Barrichello 3 - 10 2 10 3 2 1 5 34 M Webber 10 6 - - - - - 10 8 31 J Button 4 2 2 - 8 4 1 4 6 19 N Rosberg 5 5 4 1 - - 4 - - 18 H Kovalainen 1 4 5 3 3 2 - - - 15 F Alonso 2 - 3 - 4 6 - - - 15 R Kubica - - 1 5 - 1 - 8 - 13 N Heidfeld - - - 4 2 - 3 - 4 11 J Trulli - 1 - - - - 8 - 2 11 T Glock - 3 - - - 8 - - - 8 G Fisichella - - - 8 - - - - - 6 F Massa 6 - - - - - - - - 5 A Sutil - - - - 5 - - - - 3 S Buemi - - - - - - - 2 1 3 K Kobayashi - - - - - - - - 3 |
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Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? |
Assumptions and disclaimers:
(1) Use points systems from each relevant year.
(2) In years with odd numbers of races, the middle race belongs to the
second half (purely for consistency with Brian's original post)
(3) All results count, none of this best-11-out-of-16 malarkey.
(4) Ties decided in the usual countback manner
(5) I'm not counting Indianapolis in the 1950s.
(6) * = actual champion that year; I've provided their position where not in
the top two for any demi-season
(7) As with any stats, these do not (and do not pretend to) tell the "whole
story" of any season.
Year Spring champion Spring runner up Autumn champion
Autumn runner up
================================================== ===========================================
1950 Farina* Fagioli Fangio
Fagioli (Farina* 3rd)
1951 Fangio* Farina Fangio*
Ascari
1952 Ascari* Taruffi Ascari*
Farina
1953 Ascari* Hawthorn Fangio
Ascari*
1954 Fangio* Gonzalez Fangio*
Hawthorn
1955 Fangio* Trintignant Fangio* Moss
1956 Collins Moss (Fangio* 3rd) Fangio* Moss
1957 Fangio* Behra Moss
Fangio*
1958 Moss Hawthorn* Hawthorn* Moss
1959 Brabham* Brooks Moss
Brooks (Brabham* 7th)
1960 McLaren Brabham* Brabham*
McLaren
1961 P Hill* von Trips P Hill* von
Trips
1962 G Hill* Clark G Hill*
McLaren
1963 Clark* G Hill Clark*
Ginther
1964 Clark G Hill (Surtees* 6th) Surtees*
Bandini
1965 Clark* G Hill G Hill
Gurney (Clark* 3rd)
1966 Brabham* Rindt Brabham*
Surtees
1967 Hulme* Brabham Brabham
Hulme*
1968 G Hill* Stewart/Ickx G Hill* Hulme
1969 Stewart* G Hill Ickx
Stewart*
1970 Rindt* Stewart Ickx
Regazzoni (Rindt* 3rd)
1971 Stewart* Ickx Stewart*
Peterson
1972 Fittipaldi* Stewart Fittipaldi*
Stewart
1973 Fittipaldi Stewart* Peterson
Stewart*
1974 Fittipaldi* Regazzoni Regazzoni
Fittipaldi*
1975 Lauda* Fittipaldi Lauda* Hunt
1976 Lauda Scheckter (Hunt* 3rd) Hunt*
Scheckter
1977 Scheckter Reutemann (Lauda* 4th) Lauda* Hunt
1978 Andretti* Peterson Andretti*
Reutemann
1979 Scheckter* Laffite Jones G
Villeneuve (Scheckter* 4th)
1980 Jones* Piquet Jones*
Reutemann
1981 Reutemann Piquet* Prost
Piquet*
1982 Watson Pironi (Rosberg* 4th) Rosberg*
Tambay
1983 Prost Piquet* Arnoux
Piquet*
1984 Prost Lauda* Lauda* Prost
1985 Alboreto Prost* Prost* Senna
1986 Prost* Mansell Piquet
Prost*
1987 Piquet* Senna Piquet*
Mansell
1988[1] Prost Senna* Prost
Senna*
1989 Prost* Senna Prost* Senna
1990 Prost Senna* Senna* Prost
1991 Senna* Mansell Senna*
Mansell
1992 Mansell* Patrese Mansell* Senna
1993 Prost* Senna Prost* D
Hill
1994 M Schumacher* D Hill D Hill M
Schumacher*
1995 M Schumacher* D Hill M Schumacher* D
Hill
1996 D Hill* J Villeneuve J Villeneuve D
Hill*
1997 M Schumacher[2] J Villeneuve* J Villeneuve*
Coulthard
1998 Hakkinen* M Schumacher Hakkinen* M
Schumacher
1999 Hakkinen* M Schumacher Irvine
Hakkinen*
2000 M Schumacher* Hakkinen Hakkinen M
Schumacher*
2001 M Schumacher* Coulthard M Schumacher*
Barrichello
2002 M Schumacher* R Schumacher M Schumacher*
Barrichello
2003 M Schumacher* Raikkonen Montoya
Raikkonen (M Schu 3rd)
2004 M Schumacher* Barrichello M Schumacher*
Barrichello
2005 Alonso* Raikkonen Raikkonen
Alonso*
2006 Alonso* M Schumacher M Schumacher Massa
(Alonso* 3rd)
2007 Hamilton Alonso (Raikkonen* 4th) Raikkonen*
Alonso
2008 Hamilton* Massa Hamilton* Massa
2009 Button* Barrichello Vettel
Hamilton (Button* 6th)
[1] Bit of a weird one - due to the combination of total McLaren dominance,
the best-11-out-of-16 system in the actual championship and the fact I'm
counting all results, Prost "wins" both demi-seasons in 1988 even though
Senna took the actual title.
[2] I've assumed that Schumacher was disqualified from the demi-season
during which a certain incident took place, and not from the first half of
1997. There are probably about 17 other ways of handling seasons like this.
Most demi-championships per driver:
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13 M Schumacher
12 Prost
10 Fangio
5 Brabham, G Hill, Lauda
4 Clark, Fittipaldi, Hakkinen
3 Ascari, Moss, Stewart, Jones, Piquet, Senna, Hamilton
2 P Hill, Ickx, Scheckter, Andretti, Mansell, D Hill, J Villeneuve,
Alonso, Raikkonen
1 (19 drivers)
Worst demi-seasons for the actual champion:
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7th Brabham (Autumn 1959)
6th Surtees (Spring 1964), Button (Autumn 2009)
4th Lauda (Spring 1977), Scheckter (Autumn 1979), Rosberg (Spring 1982),
Raikkonen (Spring 2007)
Feel free to point out any errors, this is just for fun...
ian
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"larkim" <matthew.larkin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:6547f4fe-2caa-467a-9f46-273479828df5 (AT) b2g2000yqi (DOT) googlegroups.com... Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? Feel free to point out any errors, this is just for fun... ian |
Clark should have got more. 62, 63, 64, 65, 67 would have been good. And
deserved.
But that never happened. Bugger. Lotus = "loads of trouble, usually
serious."
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Chris
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
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Two thoughts occur to me, one which Brian can (if he is so interested?) help with, and the other just an observation. Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? |
read it until today. Thanks to Ian for a good (and rapid) response.
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Brian
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"larkim" <matthew.lar... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:6547f4fe-2caa-467a-9f46-273479828df5 (AT) b2g2000yqi (DOT) googlegroups.com... Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? OK I'm bored and up for the challenge... Assumptions and disclaimers: (1) Use points systems from each relevant year. (2) In years with odd numbers of races, the middle race belongs to the second half (purely for consistency with Brian's original post) (3) All results count, none of this best-11-out-of-16 malarkey. (4) Ties decided in the usual countback manner (5) I'm not counting Indianapolis in the 1950s. (6) * = actual champion that year; I've provided their position where not in the top two for any demi-season (7) As with any stats, these do not (and do not pretend to) tell the "whole story" of any season. Year * *Spring champion * *Spring runner up * * * * Autumn champion Autumn runner up ================================================== ========================= ================== 1950 * *Farina* * * * * * *Fagioli * * * * * * * * *Fangio Fagioli *(Farina* 3rd) 1951 * *Fangio* * * * * * *Farina * * * * * ** * * Fangio* Ascari 1952 * *Ascari* * * * * * *Taruffi * * * * * * * * *Ascari* Farina 1953 * *Ascari* * * * * * *Hawthorn * * * * * * * * Fangio Ascari* 1954 * *Fangio* * * * * * *Gonzalez * * * * * * * * Fangio* Hawthorn 1955 * *Fangio* * * * * * *Trintignant * * * * * * *Fangio* * * * * * *Moss 1956 * *Collins * * * * * *Moss (Fangio* 3rd) * * *Fangio* * * * * * *Moss 1957 * *Fangio* * * * * * *Behra * * * * * * * * * *Moss Fangio* 1958 * *Moss * * * * * * * Hawthorn* * * * * * * * *Hawthorn* * * * * *Moss 1959 * *Brabham* * * * * * Brooks * * * * * * * * * Moss Brooks (Brabham* 7th) 1960 * *McLaren * * * * * *Brabham* * * * * * * * * Brabham* McLaren 1961 * *P Hill* * * * * * *von Trips * * * * * * * *P Hill* * * * * * *von Trips 1962 * *G Hill* * * * * * *Clark * * * * * * * * * *G Hill* McLaren 1963 * *Clark* * * * * * * G Hill * * * * * ** * * Clark* Ginther 1964 * *Clark * * * * * * *G Hill (Surtees* 6th) * *Surtees* Bandini 1965 * *Clark* * * * * * * G Hill * * * * * ** * * G Hill Gurney (Clark* 3rd) 1966 * *Brabham* * * * * * Rindt * * * * * * * * * *Brabham* Surtees 1967 * *Hulme* * * * * * * Brabham * * * * * * * * *Brabham Hulme* 1968 * *G Hill* * * * * * *Stewart/Ickx * * * * * * G Hill* * * * * * *Hulme 1969 * *Stewart* * * * * * G Hill * * * * * * * * * Ickx Stewart* 1970 * *Rindt* * * * * * * Stewart * * * * * * * * *Ickx Regazzoni (Rindt* 3rd) 1971 * *Stewart* * * * * * Ickx * * * * * * ** * * Stewart* Peterson 1972 * *Fittipaldi* * * * *Stewart * * * * * * * * *Fittipaldi* Stewart 1973 * *Fittipaldi * * * * Stewart* * * * * * * * * Peterson Stewart* 1974 * *Fittipaldi* * * * *Regazzoni * * * * * * * *Regazzoni Fittipaldi* 1975 * *Lauda* * * * * * * Fittipaldi * * * * ** * Lauda* * * * * * * Hunt 1976 * *Lauda * * * * * * *Scheckter (Hunt* 3rd) * *Hunt* Scheckter 1977 * *Scheckter * * * * *Reutemann (Lauda* 4th) * Lauda* * * * * * * Hunt 1978 * *Andretti* * * * * *Peterson * * * * * ** * Andretti* Reutemann 1979 * *Scheckter* * * * * Laffite * * * * * * * * *Jones * * * * * * *G Villeneuve (Scheckter* 4th) 1980 * *Jones* * * * * * * Piquet * * * * * ** * * Jones* Reutemann 1981 * *Reutemann * * * * *Piquet* * * * * * * * * *Prost Piquet* 1982 * *Watson * * * * * * Pironi (Rosberg* 4th) * *Rosberg* Tambay 1983 * *Prost * * * * * * *Piquet* * * * * * * * * *Arnoux Piquet* 1984 * *Prost * * * * * * *Lauda* * * * * * * * * * Lauda* * * * * * * Prost 1985 * *Alboreto * * * * * Prost* * * * * * * * * * Prost* * * * * * * Senna 1986 * *Prost* * * * * * * Mansell * * * * * * * * *Piquet Prost* 1987 * *Piquet* * * * * * *Senna * * * * * * * * * *Piquet* Mansell 1988[1] Prost * * * * * * *Senna* * * * * * * * * * Prost Senna* 1989 * *Prost* * * * * * * Senna * * * * * * * * * *Prost* * * * * * * Senna 1990 * *Prost * * * * * * *Senna* * * * * * * * * * Senna* * * * * * * Prost 1991 * *Senna* * * * * * * Mansell * * * * * * * * *Senna* Mansell 1992 * *Mansell* * * * * * Patrese * * * * * * * * *Mansell* * * * * * Senna 1993 * *Prost* * * * * * * Senna * * * * * * * * * *Prost* * * * * * * D Hill 1994 * *M Schumacher* * * *D Hill * * * * * * * * * D Hill * * * * * * M Schumacher* 1995 * *M Schumacher* * * *D Hill * * * * * * * * * M Schumacher* * * *D Hill 1996 * *D Hill* * * * * * *J Villeneuve * * * * * * J Villeneuve * * * D Hill* 1997 * *M Schumacher[2] * *J Villeneuve* * * * * * *JVilleneuve* Coulthard 1998 * *Hakkinen* * * * * *M Schumacher * * * * ** Hakkinen* * * * * *M Schumacher 1999 * *Hakkinen* * * * * *M Schumacher * * * * ** Irvine Hakkinen* 2000 * *M Schumacher* * * *Hakkinen * * * * * * ** Hakkinen * * * * * M Schumacher* 2001 * *M Schumacher* * * *Coulthard * * * * * * * *M Schumacher* Barrichello 2002 * *M Schumacher* * * *R Schumacher * * * * * *M Schumacher* Barrichello 2003 * *M Schumacher* * * *Raikkonen * * * * * * * *Montoya Raikkonen (M Schu 3rd) 2004 * *M Schumacher* * * *Barrichello * * * * * * *M Schumacher* Barrichello 2005 * *Alonso* * * * * * *Raikkonen * * * * * * * *Raikkonen Alonso* 2006 * *Alonso* * * * * * *M Schumacher * * * * * * M Schumacher * * * Massa (Alonso* 3rd) 2007 * *Hamilton * * * * * Alonso (Raikkonen* 4th) *Raikkonen* Alonso 2008 * *Hamilton* * * * * *Massa * * * * * * * * * *Hamilton* * * * * *Massa 2009 * *Button* * * * * * *Barrichello * * * * * * *Vettel Hamilton (Button* 6th) [1] Bit of a weird one - due to the combination of total McLaren dominance, the best-11-out-of-16 system in the actual championship and the fact I'm counting all results, Prost "wins" both demi-seasons in 1988 even though Senna took the actual title. [2] I've assumed that Schumacher was disqualified from the demi-season during which a certain incident took place, and not from the first half of 1997. There are probably about 17 other ways of handling seasons like this. Most demi-championships per driver: =================================== 13 * *M Schumacher 12 * *Prost 10 * *Fangio 5 * * Brabham, G Hill, Lauda 4 * * Clark, Fittipaldi, Hakkinen 3 * * Ascari, Moss, Stewart, Jones, Piquet, Senna, Hamilton 2 * * P Hill, Ickx, Scheckter, Andretti, Mansell, D Hill, J Villeneuve, Alonso, Raikkonen 1 * * (19 drivers) Worst demi-seasons for the actual champion: ========================================== 7th * *Brabham (Autumn 1959) 6th * *Surtees (Spring 1964), Button (Autumn 2009) 4th * *Lauda (Spring 1977), Scheckter (Autumn 1979), Rosberg (Spring 1982), Raikkonen (Spring 2007) Feel free to point out any errors, this is just for fun... ian Muchos gracias. But did that answer the question? That tells me who |
mid-2008 to mid-2009? Button I suspect. Or have I missed something
in the interpretation?
Cheers!
Matt
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"larkim" <matthew.larkin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Two thoughts occur to me, one which Brian can (if he is so interested?) help with, and the other just an observation. Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? I would have been interested, but I wasn't well yesterday, so didn't even read it until today. Thanks to Ian for a good (and rapid) response. |
Apparently Legard or someone apologised for Button and/or Weber's
language; I heard they were reliving the last few laps animatedly.
Anyone here it?
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Cheers,
Dave
Don't touch me unless you love me.
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:59:34 +1100, Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: "larkim" <matthew.larkin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Two thoughts occur to me, one which Brian can (if he is so interested?) help with, and the other just an observation. Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? I would have been interested, but I wasn't well yesterday, so didn't even read it until today. Thanks to Ian for a good (and rapid) response. Speaking of missing things, I tuned out after the black and white rag. Apparently Legard or someone apologised for Button and/or Weber's language; I heard they were reliving the last few laps animatedly. Anyone here it? |
rather shagged out looking Webber. So, imagine a couple of guys in a pub
chatting. So; "I fucked it up", "fucking awesome few laps", not quotes, but
that sort of thing. Clearly Butts had forgotten about the camera.
Personally I'm not sure putting cameras on sports folk while they are still
hyped up after an event is such a great idea. With all the chemicals pumping
round the body and the release of the tension they are bound to slip up,
then get in trouble for it. Here we heard the evil "f" word, but IMHO, it
was this that gave Rubens the opportunity to slag off the team, twice. Half
an hour later I'm pretty sure he would have said nothing. I wonder if it was
wise to talk to Trulli so soon after his crash with Sutil. He might not have
dug such a hole for him self had he had time to calm down and think about
it.
AC
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:59:34 +1100, Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: "larkim" <matthew.larkin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Two thoughts occur to me, one which Brian can (if he is so interested?) help with, and the other just an observation. Firstly, if championships were made up from points accrued either side of the winter break (making a sensible judgement about where the half way point is for odd numbered championships) who would have won DWCs? Anyone different? I would have been interested, but I wasn't well yesterday, so didn't even read it until today. Thanks to Ian for a good (and rapid) response. Speaking of missing things, I tuned out after the black and white rag. Apparently Legard or someone apologised for Button and/or Weber's language; I heard they were reliving the last few laps animatedly. Anyone here it? Yup. A harmless "fuck" (not a fuck at all, just the word) was uttered. |
necessary.
Hello Claire? Compliance unit?
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Chris
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
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