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Some revised initial thoughts (Spoilers)
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Re: Some revised initial thoughts (Spoilers) -
03-18-2007
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In message <564sjgF27ubv9U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>, Paul-B paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> writes Richard Miller wrote: I didn't see what happened to push Webber back down the field. Spun in the pitlane. Ah. Right. Thanks. That was a bit careless of him. I hope no part of the car was travelling at more than 50 mph while he was doing so... |
Obviously taking a page out of DC's "how to drive an F1 car" book... ;-)
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In message <8mlqv21ckcbk3pfkqkh5ctlhtaqntjin9m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, a_Frank fajp (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> writes Hm.. as i recall Massa was 1 stopping, as opposed to Kimi 2 stopping. So there you'd have about a second easily. Then he spent half the race on the softs, which lasted about 10 laps before graining even for the two stoppers, and he spent that in traffic. All of that is ample reason why he would not consistently have been near the top of the Ferrari's potential pace. It does not, to me at least, explain why even on his best lap of the afternoon he did not get close. |
than KR's when their fuel loads were equivalent. FM's fastest lap was at
the end of his first stint while KR's was at the end of his second.
Assuming that their fuel loads were equivalent at that time, FM had 28
laps on his soft tires while KR had 22 on his hard tires. Also, remember
that KR had an opportunity to go for a fast lap on every lap of the race
whereas FM had relatively few laps where he wasn't closely following
someone else.
-ts
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Ferrari: It's in a league of its own. Kimi wasn't even trying, and he was still more than a second up on everyone else. Massa was disappointing. His fastest lap was 1.8 seconds slower than Kimi. Even allowing for the different strategy and the fact that he was fighting through traffic, he should have been able to run faster than that for at least a couple of laps. In that car, with that advantage over the field, he should have been higher. |
Reminded me of 2001 with Shumi blasting off into the distance on a nice
Sunday drive. F1 fans better hope all the other races don't end up like
2001.
Hamilton - great start. Impressive. But one race does not a champion
make. A solid racing career does not a champion make either - just ask
David Coulthard. It's early but the question is this: is Hamilton going to
be a Coulthard and Fisi or is he going to be a champion?
BMW - looked like they picked up where they left off last season. Great
to see them do what
Honda and Toyota can't do. I've never been much of a Heidfeld fan but that
beard of his has
be hooked.
Oh, it was soooo nice seeing a race without one driver being 1000%
better than everybody else. Like a breath of fresh air without Shumi on the
grid.
Three freaking weeks till Sepang! Way too long.
Wish Montoya was in the second Ferrari. It would be fun watching Kimi
and Juan battle for the championship all season.
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:06:52 +0000, Richard Miller wrote: In message <8mlqv21ckcbk3pfkqkh5ctlhtaqntjin9m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, a_Frank fajp (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> writes Hm.. as i recall Massa was 1 stopping, as opposed to Kimi 2 stopping. So there you'd have about a second easily. Then he spent half the race on the softs, which lasted about 10 laps before graining even for the two stoppers, and he spent that in traffic. All of that is ample reason why he would not consistently have been near the top of the Ferrari's potential pace. It does not, to me at least, explain why even on his best lap of the afternoon he did not get close. The effect of 1 stopping was that FM's tires would have been more worn than KR's when their fuel loads were equivalent. FM's fastest lap was at the end of his first stint while KR's was at the end of his second. Assuming that their fuel loads were equivalent at that time, FM had 28 laps on his soft tires while KR had 22 on his hard tires. Also, remember that KR had an opportunity to go for a fast lap on every lap of the race whereas FM had relatively few laps where he wasn't closely following someone else. |
defence. :-)
I'm still not convinced that accounts for all of the difference in lap
times, though.
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Richard Miller <rich... (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote: But Hamilton proved he can do it in the race as well as qualifying. His performance on the start was plain awesome - many drivers far more experienced than he is would have either crashed or at least fallen back when faced with those conditions, yet he just calmly drove around the outside and past his team-mate. He made a few minor errors in the race, but nothing serious. The boy done good. Damned good. He's the real deal all right. One thought to add to the mix is that while the boy did do good, how within mere centimetres leeway, it could have been so different. That move at the start, around the outside of his teammate. It paid off, he got ahead, he had a great race, and now he's collecting the plaudits, deservedly so. But how easy it could have all gone tits up, and took his teammate out into the bargain in his first ever F1 race. How different would we be talking of his prospects now? I think it was Michael Andretti in one of his many less successful F1 races - Silverstone I think - tried something similar going around the outside, but got slightly bumped, and into the kitty litter he went. Afterwards, to paraphrase, "I took a gamble. If it had worked, I'd have looked like a hero. As it was, I looked like a chump." |
last year in GP2.
No one has ever got close to winning GP2/F3000 spec series in year
one. Monty took 2, Heidfeld 5 (Mclaren backed also), Rosberg 2, Alonso
won the last race of his first year convincingly, and got zoomed into
Minardi based on the extrapolation he would have won the C'ship the
following year.
Hamilton won his first year, with 3 races to spare.
So we have hard evidence just how good Hamilton is. We don't for Kimi,
or even Fernie before his championships. He caught an aging Schumacher
after all.
In fact the best hard evidence as to how good Alonso is came
today. ;o)
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In message <pan.2007.03.18.17.23.57 (AT) SPAMyahoo (DOT) com>, ts ts_0053NO (AT) SPAMyahoo (DOT) com> writes On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:06:52 +0000, Richard Miller wrote: In message <8mlqv21ckcbk3pfkqkh5ctlhtaqntjin9m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, a_Frank fajp (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> writes Hm.. as i recall Massa was 1 stopping, as opposed to Kimi 2 stopping. So there you'd have about a second easily. Then he spent half the race on the softs, which lasted about 10 laps before graining even for the two stoppers, and he spent that in traffic. All of that is ample reason why he would not consistently have been near the top of the Ferrari's potential pace. It does not, to me at least, explain why even on his best lap of the afternoon he did not get close. The effect of 1 stopping was that FM's tires would have been more worn than KR's when their fuel loads were equivalent. FM's fastest lap was at the end of his first stint while KR's was at the end of his second. Assuming that their fuel loads were equivalent at that time, FM had 28 laps on his soft tires while KR had 22 on his hard tires. Also, remember that KR had an opportunity to go for a fast lap on every lap of the race whereas FM had relatively few laps where he wasn't closely following someone else. OK, I have to concede that you make at least an arguable case in Massa's defence. :-) I'm still not convinced that accounts for all of the difference in lap times, though. |
ample opportunity to see how good Massa is, though. We don't have to
decide after one race.
-ts
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Oh, it was soooo nice seeing a race without one driver being 1000% better than everybody else. Like a breath of fresh air without Shumi on the grid. |
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Ferrari: It's in a league of its own... |
after *all* of the flyaway opening races, let alone just one of them.
It was impressive but I don't think, again just on this showing, that
there's going to be much between the Ferraris and the McLarens all
season and it could (hopefully) swing either way from race ro race...
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Kimi wasn't even trying, and he was still more than a second up on everyone else. Massa was disappointing. His fastest lap was 1.8 seconds slower than Kimi. Even allowing for the different strategy and the fact that he was fighting through traffic, he should have been able to run faster than that for at least a couple of laps. In that car, with that advantage over the field, he should have been higher. |
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McLaren: A cool, professional drive from Alonso, his experience winning out in the end. Even if Hamilton had not been badly baulked twice by backmarkers, I suspect Alonso would have made it through to second in the end. |
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But Hamilton proved he can do it in the race as well as qualifying. His performance on the start was plain awesome - many drivers far more experienced than he is would have either crashed or at least fallen back when faced with those conditions, yet he just calmly drove around the outside and past his team-mate. He made a few minor errors in the race, but nothing serious. The boy done good. Damned good. He's the real deal all right. |
unbelievable debuts. If Lewis carries on like this he will be a
multiple DWC. It's going to be an intriguing season watching what
happens at McLaren, never mind up and down the rest of the pitlane...
But you missed one of the most important features - both cars finished
on the podium. After last season, that was a bloody miraculous showing
by the team...
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Renault: Another journeyman performance from Fisi, although he did fend off Massa at the end, so he deserves some credit for that... |
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Kovalainen's rookie performance could not have contrasted more sharply with Hamilton's. Never hooked up, error strewn, nowhere close to a team-mate who isn't even close to being in Alonso's league. There is nothing there yet to suggest that he will be anything more than another journeyman. But let's see how he matures over the season. |
has great potential...
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Toyota: A solid but unspectacular performance - which, as with the qualifying, is more than most people were expecting from them. With a bit of development, they could be challenging Renault and BMW for third, and may sneak the occasional podium, but they clearly are not close to a championship challenge yet, and probably not even a race win. |
them...?
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Red Bull Racing: That was a real kamikaze move from DC. At least he was man enough to accept full blame for it. I didn't see what happened to push Webber back down the field. But it does sound as though this car has some inherent potential that we may see as the season develops. |
admitting it. The slow-mo replay from Alex's cockpit induced shudders.
He's a very lucky man.
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Super Aguri: Not as strong in the race as in qualifying. Did Taku lap a Spyker? If so, that must have been a novel experience for him. Jury's still out at the moment, it will be interesting to see if they can maintain this form in Malaysia. |
least he's got a full time drive at last. Hoping to see him improve
during the season. Embarrassing for Honda to be outshone by last
year's car...
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Honda. Oh dear. Let's hope that the claims are right, that the car does have some inherent potential that just needs to be unleashed. I am beginning to fear, though, that Button's moment has come and gone and he has missed it. With the focus switching to Lewis Hamilton now, he may be feeling the same way. Rubens had a decidedly better race than Jenson for once. |
year. Jenson should move soon...
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Williams: a pleasant surprise in the race. That was a good drive from Nico, unseen by the cameras quietly pushing the car up to seventh, well ahead of where most people thought it was capable of reaching. Wurz was doing less well before DC took him out, but appeared to be heading for a solid finish. |
he's made of. I really don't understand why Alex should, after all
this time, have an F1 drive (except for the fact that he's presumably
not costing Frank much). Nice enough chap but there must be others out
there more deserving...
David
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On 18 Mar, 11:53, Richard Miller <rich... (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk wrote: Red Bull Racing: That was a real kamikaze move from DC. At least he was man enough to accept full blame for it. I didn't see what happened to push Webber back down the field. But it does sound as though this car has some inherent potential that we may see as the season develops. Bit of a bonehead move by DC and, as you say, kudos to him for admitting it. The slow-mo replay from Alex's cockpit induced shudders. He's a very lucky man. |
agreed with James Allen's opinion on something, certainly the first time
in a long time.
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DC wrote: On 18 Mar, 11:53, Richard Miller <rich... (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk wrote: Red Bull Racing: That was a real kamikaze move from DC. At least he was man enough to accept full blame for it. I didn't see what happened to push Webber back down the field. But it does sound as though this car has some inherent potential that we may see as the season develops. Bit of a bonehead move by DC and, as you say, kudos to him for admitting it. The slow-mo replay from Alex's cockpit induced shudders. He's a very lucky man. "That gets scarier every time I see it" - possibly the first time I've agreed with James Allen's opinion on something, certainly the first time in a long time. |
David
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