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Re: Spa-Monz-Monaco -
09-12-2005
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The Luffield complex is silly, admittedly - I like the new Becketts, though. Luffield is a nice place to watch the cars close-up and to see some interesting outbraking manoeuvres (in fact it's somewhere I like to stand for BTCC or GTs or whatever), |
Farm too..
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Couldn't give a toss about Silverstone, the "proper" Silverstone died in '91 (although you could argue that most of the damage was done in '86 or even arguably '75.) The entire place is just a mess of concrete and fences now, it's got all the atmosphere of a damp handkerchief. |
hardly charismatic!
It does remain the site of the first ever F1 Grand Prix, the first half
of the lap is awesome, and without the Luffield complex would be a hell
of a lot better. The only thing it's really missing is elevation
changes (it's an airfield remember!).
Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but
Bernie had one of his tantrums...
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Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... |
Hatch in the course of bringing it up to modern F1 standards.
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Phil
http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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The only thing it's really missing is elevation changes (it's an airfield remember!). |
Ever been to Roborough? When I was doing my initial flying training
there the 'planes taking-off disappeared down a dip until only the top
planes could be seen, and if one of the trainees hit a bit hard on
landing the oleo-struts would bounce the 'plane back into the air,
which was quite an impressive sight as it bounced gradually into view.
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Paul-B... the original and the best!
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Pete Fenelon wrote: Couldn't give a toss about Silverstone, the "proper" Silverstone died in '91 (although you could argue that most of the damage was done in '86 or even arguably '75.) The entire place is just a mess of concrete and fences now, it's got all the atmosphere of a damp handkerchief. That's the thing, all it has ever been is a road around an airfield... hardly charismatic! It does remain the site of the first ever F1 Grand Prix, the first half of the lap is awesome, and without the Luffield complex would be a hell of a lot better. The only thing it's really missing is elevation changes (it's an airfield remember!). |
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Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... |
laws.
Don't forget that Bernie sold the GB race rights to Nichola Foulston and
Brands Hatch Leisure from 2002 - the intention being that the British GP
would be at Brands. Foulston applied for planning permission to upgrade the
circuit to F1 standards and, in the meantime, sold BHL to Octagon Motorsport
(aka Interpublic Advertising) for rather more than it was worth - Octagon,
presumably, assumed planning permission would be a formality.
The problem is that there isn't room to expand the run-off areas to F1's
requirements - in fact it's so unsafe, now, that even F3000 has refused to
race there since 1991. Planning permission was turned down, as was an
appeal, so Octagon were forced to do a deal with Silverstone.
The GB race rights are now back with the BDRC and Brands Hatch (and the
other former BHL circuits) is now owned by a group headed by Jonathan Palmer
who picked them up for a song after Interpublic decided to pull out.
Cheers,
Probert.
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"Nick" <catisfitspam (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1126627670.264771.238730 (AT) g43g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Pete Fenelon wrote: Couldn't give a toss about Silverstone, the "proper" Silverstone died in '91 (although you could argue that most of the damage was done in '86 or even arguably '75.) The entire place is just a mess of concrete and fences now, it's got all the atmosphere of a damp handkerchief. That's the thing, all it has ever been is a road around an airfield... hardly charismatic! It does remain the site of the first ever F1 Grand Prix, the first half of the lap is awesome, and without the Luffield complex would be a hell of a lot better. The only thing it's really missing is elevation changes (it's an airfield remember!). It's an airfield on a hillside - so it's got elevation, just not very noticable. Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... Nothing to do with Bernie - everything to do with local council planning laws. Don't forget that Bernie sold the GB race rights to Nichola Foulston and Brands Hatch Leisure from 2002 - the intention being that the British GP would be at Brands. Foulston applied for planning permission to upgrade the circuit to F1 standards and, in the meantime, sold BHL to Octagon Motorsport (aka Interpublic Advertising) for rather more than it was worth - Octagon, presumably, assumed planning permission would be a formality. The problem is that there isn't room to expand the run-off areas to F1's requirements - in fact it's so unsafe, now, that even F3000 has refused to race there since 1991. Planning permission was turned down, as was an appeal, so Octagon were forced to do a deal with Silverstone. The GB race rights are now back with the BDRC and Brands Hatch (and the other former BHL circuits) is now owned by a group headed by Jonathan Palmer who picked them up for a song after Interpublic decided to pull out. |
to race on :-)
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It's an airfield on a hillside - so it's got elevation, just not very noticable. |
hardly Spa, or Turkey, or Imola, or Brazil, or Japan...
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Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... Nothing to do with Bernie - everything to do with local council planning laws. |
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Nick wrote: Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... Be careful what you wish for... who knows what they'd inflict on Brands Hatch in the course of bringing it up to modern F1 standards. |
- Jones
FORZA!
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Probert wrote: It's an airfield on a hillside - so it's got elevation, just not very noticable. Yeah, there's a dip through the Vale and a dip along Farm, but it's hardly Spa, or Turkey, or Imola, or Brazil, or Japan... Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... Nothing to do with Bernie - everything to do with local council planning laws. No, back in 1986(?), not 2002. |
declared the track as unsafe for F1. Unfortunately there's not much that can
now be done about it as where at least two of the gravel traps need to be
extended there's now a very large housing estate.
Cheers,
Probert.
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Nick wrote: Funny thing is, Brands Hatch is so much better than Silverstone, but Bernie had one of his tantrums... Be careful what you wish for... who knows what they'd inflict on Brands Hatch in the course of bringing it up to modern F1 standards. |
they didn't touch the track layout itself...
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