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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 05:35 PM






Phil Newnham wrote:

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We'll see tomorrow. The big difference between Kimi and Massa
means one of two things; either Felipe is genuinely that much
quicker, or he's carrying a fair bit less fuel.
Or they've cut down Kimi's power a bit to save the engine. I don't
expect Kimi to have the pace he had at Melbourne because of the
overheating problem.

But if it rains, it's anybody's guess what the outcome will be. Too
many variables in that scenario.

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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 06:00 PM






WebSlave wrote:
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Phil Newnham wrote:

We'll see tomorrow. The big difference between Kimi and Massa
means one of two things; either Felipe is genuinely that much
quicker, or he's carrying a fair bit less fuel.

Or they've cut down Kimi's power a bit to save the engine. I don't
expect Kimi to have the pace he had at Melbourne because of the
overheating problem.
They're still claiming that they've fixed it. I'm betting that they're
running a dual strategy on the grounds of not being 100% confident of
filling the front row after the performance of the Maccas in Q2 - Massa
will steam off into the distance as fast as he can go, and Kimi will try
to outlast the McLarens.

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But if it rains, it's anybody's guess what the outcome will be. Too
many variables in that scenario.
If it rains, I will enjoy it a lot more, I suspect.

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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 06:20 PM



WebSlave wrote:

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Or they've cut down Kimi's power a bit to save the engine. I don't
expect Kimi to have the pace he had at Melbourne because of the
overheating problem.
Hum....

(Without knowing any specifics of the situation - a conditiont that
seldom inhibits wild speculation around here.)

I suspect that stress, heat, and wear increase very rapidly as the
RPM/power is ramped up. OTOH, the engines are supposed to survive 8~10
full-chat qual laps without complaint. If one fast lap will/might
wound/kill it, Paris' engine must be half dead already. If that were
the case, I think I'd want a new one!

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But if it rains, it's anybody's guess what the outcome will be. Too
many variables in that scenario.
Pardon my lazyness, but how many wet/damp tire designs can they run?
Isn't there a (yet another!) dumb rule about being forced to run
intermediate OR full wet, but not a mix?

-Moo


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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 06:50 PM



On Apr 7, 6:08 am, addr... (AT) in (DOT) sig (ric zito) wrote:
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They seem to be right with the Ferraris, don't they? Fernando dominated
most of practice, Lewis was also on P1 at one point, and it was only
thanks to a last-minute banzai lap from Massa that Fernando was denied
pole.

Pretty amazing, considering the so-called second-and-a-half advantage
the Ferraris were supposed to have only three weeks ago. I wonder how
much the flexi-floor had to do with Ferrari's speed. more than they are
willing to admit, it would seem.
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
RE: Floor

I don't see how the floor affected them since their speeds are still
way up.

We don't know the exact fuel loads in the car so why even speculate.



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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 07:21 PM



Phil Newnham wrote:

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They're still claiming that they've fixed it.
I haven't read about that. All I've seen is that they ran a simulation
with equivalent conditions to make sure the engine lasts. Which it
did. So, to my knowledge the engine suffered in Australia because of
the cooling problem and isn't at it's best anymore. Thus the cut down
power to make sure it lasts the race.

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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 07:35 PM



Greg Campbell wrote:

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Pardon my lazyness, but how many wet/damp tire designs
can they run?
Isn't there a (yet another!) dumb rule about being forced to run
intermediate OR full wet, but not a mix?
As far as I can read, there are two different rain tyres. The wet-
weather tyre, and the extreme-weather tyre. All four tyres must be of
the same specification.

-Webs-



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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 09:32 PM



WebSlave wrote:
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Greg Campbell wrote:


Pardon my lazyness, but how many wet/damp tire designs
can they run?
Isn't there a (yet another!) dumb rule about being forced to run
intermediate OR full wet, but not a mix?


As far as I can read, there are two different rain tyres. The wet-
weather tyre, and the extreme-weather tyre. All four tyres must be of
the same specification.

-Webs-
Oops. That's not what I had in mind. Somewhere, I seem to remember a
rule that the teams had to declare what tires they were going to run -
intermediate or extreme - BEFORE the rain began; possibly at the
beginning of the weekend. As I recall, there was a REAL wet race that
showed the rule to be absurd (cars off everyehere), leading to the
repeal of that particular bit of Mad Max idiocy.

-Greg


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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-07-2007 , 10:07 PM



On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:00:53 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

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WebSlave wrote:
Phil Newnham wrote:

We'll see tomorrow. The big difference between Kimi and Massa
means one of two things; either Felipe is genuinely that much
quicker, or he's carrying a fair bit less fuel.

Or they've cut down Kimi's power a bit to save the engine. I don't
expect Kimi to have the pace he had at Melbourne because of the
overheating problem.

They're still claiming that they've fixed it. I'm betting that they're

They'd better have. Yahoo's weather report said "feels like 37" when
it was 31C. That's been like that right through the weekend as i
understand, so engines may be a bit tired all over the grid, but if
Kimi's already had a bad time at Melbourne it'll be that much weaker
again.

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running a dual strategy on the grounds of not being 100% confident of
filling the front row after the performance of the Maccas in Q2 - Massa
will steam off into the distance as fast as he can go, and Kimi will try
to outlast the McLarens.

More than likely. Or Massa will make a cleanish break, but hold and
hope that Kimi can squeeze through the gaps left by the held back
Macs..

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But if it rains, it's anybody's guess what the outcome will be. Too
many variables in that scenario.

If it rains, I will enjoy it a lot more, I suspect.

Heh, the forecast was 32C with thunderstorms, when i looked the last
time. That's hardly going to help cooling and if storms over there are
like storms as i know them here after a period of hot and humid days,
it could be rivers crossing the track and lotsa spins-spins-spins.

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Default Re: Mclaren's form - 04-08-2007 , 01:29 AM



Greg Campbell wrote:
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WebSlave wrote:

Or they've cut down Kimi's power a bit to save the engine. I don't
expect Kimi to have the pace he had at Melbourne because of the
overheating problem.

Hum....
Hmm.

Quote:
(Without knowing any specifics of the situation - a conditiont that
seldom inhibits wild speculation around here.)
Will 2008 be Webber's year?

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I suspect that stress, heat, and wear increase very rapidly as the
RPM/power is ramped up.
There's stresses related to RPM^4. Run 18500 instead of 19000 and
you cut peak stresses by 11%, but peak power would drop no more than 2%.
Most likely, Kimi will just be restricted from the normal overrevving
used for qualifying and any vital out laps, his race pace will be identical.

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Default Re: [Spoiler] Mclaren's form - 04-09-2007 , 03:28 AM



Luigi Topolino wrote:

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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:08:53 +0200, address (AT) in (DOT) sig (ric zito) wrote:
They seem to be right with the Ferraris, don't they? Fernando
dominated most of practice, Lewis was also on P1 at one point, and
it was only thanks to a last-minute banzai lap from Massa that
Fernando was denied pole.

Pretty amazing, considering the so-called second-and-a-half
advantage the Ferraris were supposed to have only three weeks ago.
I wonder how much the flexi-floor had to do with Ferrari's speed.
more than they are willing to admit, it would seem.

...Only thanks to Ron Dennis exercising his Englishwoman's prerogative
to hobble Ferrari's innovation.
LOL!

You get sillier with every daft post you make. And that's every one of
them.

--
Paul-B Formula 1 - cheat-free version here now.


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