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Sports cars vs sedans: heavy!
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Re: Sports cars vs sedans: heavy! -
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:19:32 GMT, "Simon" <shepshep1 (AT) excite (DOT) com wrote: "Doc Knutsen" <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4342BFF1.50401 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com... Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <epk2k1llfs6l51nck37r0ia2be8p2vedn5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. 3734 lb -- not quite 2 tons. But when you've got 617 hp, who cares? Those of us who enjoy cornering and appreciate agility in braking as well, just might care. Gimme an Elise any day... Doc The McLaren will beet the Elise on anything bigger than a junior go-cart track. It's a big fat pimpmobile. The Elise is a sportscar. They're as different as night and day. The McLaren's an automatic, for pete's sake. - Jones FORZA! |
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Lloyd Parker wrote: Sorry, I don't really care about driving a Radio Flyer with a Toyota motor, despite how it might corner. Your prefferred alternative being? BTW WTF is meant by radio flyer? http://www.littleredflyers.com/image...-wagon-pad.jpg |
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| Simon wrote: "Doc Knutsen" <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4342BFF1.50401 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com... Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <epk2k1llfs6l51nck37r0ia2be8p2vedn5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. 3734 lb -- not quite 2 tons. But when you've got 617 hp, who cares? Those of us who enjoy cornering and appreciate agility in braking as well, just might care. Gimme an Elise any day... Doc The McLaren will beet the Elise on anything bigger than a junior go-cart track. So? I am afraid you rather missed my point. And there is no reason to bring vegetables such as beet into the discussion. Doc The Elise is a car I would have wanted in my teen's, it's ok to drive for an |
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In article <4342BFF1.50401 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com>, Doc Knutsen <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote: Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <epk2k1llfs6l51nck37r0ia2be8p2vedn5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. 3734 lb -- not quite 2 tons. But when you've got 617 hp, who cares? Those of us who enjoy cornering and appreciate agility in braking as well, just might care. Gimme an Elise any day... Doc Sorry, I don't really care about driving a Radio Flyer with a Toyota motor, despite how it might corner. |
judgement?
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In article <434342f4.11778526 (AT) news (DOT) snap.net.nz>, Mark (AT) Jones (DOT) co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:19:32 GMT, "Simon" <shepshep1 (AT) excite (DOT) com wrote: "Doc Knutsen" <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4342BFF1.50401 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com... Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <epk2k1llfs6l51nck37r0ia2be8p2vedn5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. 3734 lb -- not quite 2 tons. But when you've got 617 hp, who cares? Those of us who enjoy cornering and appreciate agility in braking as well, just might care. Gimme an Elise any day... Doc The McLaren will beet the Elise on anything bigger than a junior go-cart track. It's a big fat pimpmobile. The Elise is a sportscar. They're as different as night and day. The McLaren's an automatic, for pete's sake. Bet you long for an MG-TC too? Or a TR-2? |
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:39:43 +0200, ADDRESS (AT) IN (DOT) SIG (ric zito) wrote: Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. SLR : kerb weight 3732lbs 612 Scaglietti : kerb weight 4056lbs sources: http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/ferra.../15892/style_s pecs.html?p=ext http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...006/17369/styl e_specs.html?p=ext More Formula England lies? |
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McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. SLR : kerb weight 3732lbs 612 Scaglietti : kerb weight 4056lbs sources: http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/ferra.../15892/style_s pecs.html?p=ext http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...006/17369/styl e_specs.html?p=ext More Formula England lies? The 612 is a four seat car, and isn't made of carbon fiber, imbeciles. |
I don't like the SLR at all - it's an utter POS. But then, so is the
Scaglietti. An ugly, profligate POS unworthy to succeed the 456. Shame
on you for making excuses for it.
Sign of the times.
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ric at pixelligence dot com
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| Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <4342BFF1.50401 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com>, Doc Knutsen <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote: Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <epk2k1llfs6l51nck37r0ia2be8p2vedn5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. 3734 lb -- not quite 2 tons. But when you've got 617 hp, who cares? Those of us who enjoy cornering and appreciate agility in braking as well, just might care. Gimme an Elise any day... Doc Sorry, I don't really care about driving a Radio Flyer with a Toyota motor, despite how it might corner. I take it you have driven one over some distance in order to make that judgement? Doc No, but I don't have to get kicked in the groin to know that would be |
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McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. SLR : kerb weight 3732lbs 612 Scaglietti : kerb weight 4056lbs sources: http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/ferra.../15892/style_s pecs.html?p=ext http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...006/17369/styl e_specs.html?p=ext More Formula England lies? The 612 is a four seat car, and isn't made of carbon fiber, imbeciles. It's a two-ton all-aluminium 2+2 turd. And ugly as sin. I don't like the SLR at all - it's an utter POS. But then, so is the Scaglietti. An ugly, profligate POS unworthy to succeed the 456. Shame on you for making excuses for it. Sign of the times. |
compared to the AMG CL65, which it's lighter than by some 600lbs.
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Bigbird wrote: Simon wrote: "Doc Knutsen" <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote in message news:434398FE.5070001 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com... Simon wrote: "Doc Knutsen" <doc (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4342BFF1.50401 (AT) NOSPAMknutspeed (DOT) com... Lloyd Parker wrote: In article <epk2k1llfs6l51nck37r0ia2be8p2vedn5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Bacchus <wineguy (AT) earthlink (DOT) com> wrote: On 28 Sep 2005 11:44:26 -0700, brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Trivia sifted from a recent Road & Track, but I'd like to hear more examples. The teeny Honda S2000 2-seater sports is heavier than Honda's 4-door 5-seat Civic sedan. Lamborgini's open 2-seater Murcielago is heavier than Mercedes' biggest S-class 4-door 5-seater luxo-barge --- duh? Does anyone know of other "fat" sports and GT cars? McLaren-Mercedes SLR: A two-ton carbon fiber turd. 3734 lb -- not quite 2 tons. But when you've got 617 hp, who cares? Those of us who enjoy cornering and appreciate agility in braking as well, just might care. Gimme an Elise any day... Doc The McLaren will beet the Elise on anything bigger than a junior go-cart track. So? I am afraid you rather missed my point. And there is no reason to bring vegetables such as beet into the discussion. Doc The Elise is a car I would have wanted in my teen's, it's ok to drive for an hour or two on a Sunday afternoon, there are many cars I'd prefer now. Teens lol, from what I know of most teenagers with any balls, in an Elise down English country roads the most likely result would have been "Simon and Elise wrapped around a tree K.I.S.S.I.N.G." However I don't think the person who introduced the Elise into the topic was suggesting for any more than the "weekend fun" factor. I'm sure most people are with you on that. For most of my twenties I had a lovely 20-30 minute ride through the country to work. I'd have happily alternated the bike(s) with an Elise. What I did use to have/choose to alternate it with for the first couple of years was a 1litre Mini Metro (0-60 in about a minute and a half). I learnt more about roadcraft and even a little about racecraft in that little thing than most people I have driven with have ever demonstrated. Still if you prefer your comfortable and safe Volvo Estate I can appreciate that.  Sorry there I was off down memory lane and I forgot why I decided to respond. I had meant to ask what you were driving in your teens. Datsun 140Y, I loved that car! |
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