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Default Team strategy - 04-08-2007 , 01:09 PM








Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible to take
over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If that was the
agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off perfectly. A great team mate
to have who will sacrifice himself to keep Alonso in the money.



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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-08-2007 , 01:50 PM






Jay McFall wrote:
Quote:
Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible
to take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If
that was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off
perfectly. A great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to
keep Alonso in the money.
Holding up Kimi was probably planned - Massa as well was probably a bonus.
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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-08-2007 , 03:22 PM




"Jay McFall" <jmcfall (AT) bealenet (DOT) com> wrote

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Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible to
take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If that was
the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off perfectly. A great
team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to keep Alonso in the money.
Not team orders then when McLaren do it then?
Hell, imagine the screaming going on in here if the red cars DARED to play
as a team and hold another driver up!





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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-08-2007 , 04:07 PM



In message <yX9Sh.3869$xm4.73 (AT) newsfe3-win (DOT) ntli.net>, John Briggs
<john.briggs4 (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> writes
Quote:
Jay McFall wrote:
Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible
to take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If
that was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off
perfectly. A great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to
keep Alonso in the money.

Holding up Kimi was probably planned - Massa as well was probably a bonus.
Oh sure, yes.

"Lewis, here is the plan. We want you to take your car, which is
slightly more heavily fuelled than the Ferraris and slightly slower than
them anyway, and put yourself in front of both of them from fourth on
the grid so you can hold them up."

Yeah, right. If he could plan to do that, he isn't just the real deal.
He is an enhanced version of Hakkinen, Schumacher, Prost and Senna all
rolled into one, with a touch of God thrown in to defy the laws of
physics.
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Richard Miller


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CatharticF1
 
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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-08-2007 , 06:02 PM



Jay McFall wrote in news:d96d$4619278e$41a43057$9979 (AT) BEALENET (DOT) COM:

Quote:

Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible to
take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If that
was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off perfectly. A
great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to keep Alonso in
the money.
I think it's absolutely the case that if he found himself in the position
he was that he shouldn't chase his teammate too hard, particularly when
longer fueled.

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CatharticF1

'What you thought was freedom is just greed'


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David Melville
 
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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-08-2007 , 08:24 PM



In article <ZWSJFbx8tUGGFwwZ (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk says...
Quote:
In message <yX9Sh.3869$xm4.73 (AT) newsfe3-win (DOT) ntli.net>, John Briggs
john.briggs4 (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> writes
Jay McFall wrote:
Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible
to take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If
that was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off
perfectly. A great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to
keep Alonso in the money.

Holding up Kimi was probably planned - Massa as well was probably a bonus.

Oh sure, yes.

"Lewis, here is the plan. We want you to take your car, which is
slightly more heavily fuelled than the Ferraris and slightly slower than
them anyway, and put yourself in front of both of them from fourth on
the grid so you can hold them up."

Yeah, right. If he could plan to do that, he isn't just the real deal.
He is an enhanced version of Hakkinen, Schumacher, Prost and Senna all
rolled into one, with a touch of God thrown in to defy the laws of
physics.

Dipshit.

There's a difference between strategy and tactics.

Is it possible that, after finding their 2nd car in 2nd place after the
first two corners, the McLaren team (that includes Hamilton), grabbed
the tactical advantage offered them, and:

1) Hamilton was instructed to give Alonso breathing room, or
2) Hamilton, of his own accord, gave Alonso breathing room.

Nah! Can't happen!

sheesh.

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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-09-2007 , 03:18 AM



In message <MPG.208432b7fd653c3e989769 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au>, David
Melville <dmelville10 (AT) SPAMTRAP_optusnet (DOT) com.au> writes
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In article <ZWSJFbx8tUGGFwwZ (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk says...
In message <yX9Sh.3869$xm4.73 (AT) newsfe3-win (DOT) ntli.net>, John Briggs
john.briggs4 (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> writes
Jay McFall wrote:
Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible
to take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If
that was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off
perfectly. A great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to
keep Alonso in the money.

Holding up Kimi was probably planned - Massa as well was probably a bonus.

Oh sure, yes.

"Lewis, here is the plan. We want you to take your car, which is
slightly more heavily fuelled than the Ferraris and slightly slower than
them anyway, and put yourself in front of both of them from fourth on
the grid so you can hold them up."

Yeah, right. If he could plan to do that, he isn't just the real deal.
He is an enhanced version of Hakkinen, Schumacher, Prost and Senna all
rolled into one, with a touch of God thrown in to defy the laws of
physics.

Dipshit.

There's a difference between strategy and tactics.

Is it possible that, after finding their 2nd car in 2nd place after the
first two corners, the McLaren team (that includes Hamilton), grabbed
the tactical advantage offered them, and:

1) Hamilton was instructed to give Alonso breathing room, or
2) Hamilton, of his own accord, gave Alonso breathing room.

Nah! Can't happen!

sheesh.

You comments are incompatible with the statement I was replying to:

"Holding up Kimi was probably planned - Massa as well was probably a
bonus."
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Richard Miller
 
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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-09-2007 , 03:19 AM



In message <461974a1 (AT) dnews (DOT) tpgi.com.au>, CatharticF1
<eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> writes
Quote:
Jay McFall wrote in news:d96d$4619278e$41a43057$9979 (AT) BEALENET (DOT) COM:



Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible to
take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If that
was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off perfectly. A
great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to keep Alonso in
the money.

I think it's absolutely the case that if he found himself in the position
he was that he shouldn't chase his teammate too hard, particularly when
longer fueled.

Oooh, longer fuelled, defensive driving, in only his second race as
against a double world champion, how many more reasons for the
difference in time in those earlier laps do you need?
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CatharticF1
 
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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-09-2007 , 05:32 AM



Richard Miller wrote in news:iuoHrR6XkeGGFw1a (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk:

Quote:
In message <461974a1 (AT) dnews (DOT) tpgi.com.au>, CatharticF1
eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> writes
Jay McFall wrote in news:d96d$4619278e$41a43057$9979 (AT) BEALENET (DOT) COM:



Do you think the strategy was to have Hamilton in anyway possible
to take over second from the start just to hold up Massa and Kim. If
that was the agenda, it's brilliant... and he pulled it off
perfectly. A great team mate to have who will sacrifice himself to
keep Alonso in the money.

I think it's absolutely the case that if he found himself in the
position he was that he shouldn't chase his teammate too hard,
particularly when longer fueled.


Oooh, longer fuelled, defensive driving, in only his second race as
against a double world champion, how many more reasons for the
difference in time in those earlier laps do you need?
If he were truly a second a lap off Alonso's pace under those conditions
he wouldn't have the seat.

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ric zito
 
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Default Re: Team strategy - 04-09-2007 , 07:37 AM



CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote:

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If he were truly a second a lap off Alonso's pace under those conditions
he wouldn't have the seat.
Nonsense. As the French say : "stop looking for midday at two o'clock".
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