Hamilton's approach to the first corner

Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThOR4JP6oQ

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:20:01 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
wrote:

Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThOR4JP6oQ

Yes, noticed that too at the time.

Re-watching it, 5(five!) moves i've counted and was somewhat surprised
he didn't get penalised for it. Back to the usual inconsistency in
stewards enforcing the rules. :-/
I think he would have inconvenienced both Alonso and Kimi, who are
veteran enough to not just watch the one car, but try to see a bit
further ahead and capitalise on what might happen there.

From Kimi's pov, it could have gone like this :
Ah-hah! Lewisgoestotheright so Fernandowillcometowardsme..
nowait...
hegoestotheleft so Alonsowillduckunder and i'llhaveroomtosqueezehim..
nowait..

That was some nasty driving. The rest was very good though.

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Regards, Frank

a_Frank wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:20:01 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net
wrote:


Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThOR4JP6oQ


Yes, noticed that too at the time.
Re-watching it, 5(five!) moves i've counted and was somewhat surprised
he didn't get penalised for it. Back to the usual inconsistency in
stewards enforcing the rules. :-/
I think he would have inconvenienced both Alonso and Kimi, who are
veteran enough to not just watch the one car, but try to see a bit
further ahead and capitalise on what might happen there.

From Kimi's pov, it could have gone like this :
Ah-hah! Lewisgoestotheright so Fernandowillcometowardsme..
nowait...
hegoestotheleft so Alonsowillduckunder and i'llhaveroomtosqueezehim..
nowait..

That was some nasty driving. The rest was very good though.

Yes Hamilton was certainly pushing the limit of changes.

Also after re watching the start Kimi takes P3 at turn 2, then looses it
and it appears that if Heidfeld had pushed a bit harder then Kimi could
have gone back to P5.

Is it just me or does Heidfeld seem to back off.

CatharticF1 wrote:

Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThOR4JP6oQ

I was watching Wind Tunnel on Speed TV last night when they interviewed
Jacques Villeneuve. Dave Despain asked JV about Hamilton and JV said he
was superbly smooth and talented. When Dave asked JV about the start at
Bahrain, JV responded "That was some bad blocking. Any of us would have
probably been black flagged, but whatever."

But, that's just JV... :-D

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forty

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"CatharticF1" <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote

Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?

I didn't like the look of that at all, no. It does look a bit "thou shalt
not pass".

Maybe, and I know I'm reaching a bit here, he swerved left, saw Raikonnen
coming up and swerved sharply right to avoid a collision... but the weaving
after that seemed just to be to keep Kimi and Alonso wary of getting too
close.

The final couple of gentle sweeps seem to be simply adopting the usual line
into the corner. But there's a couple of jinks that I can't even
characterise as tank-slapping that just look designed to keep everyone else
well clear, which is frankly rather naughty. Can't see McLaren (for Alonso)
calling for a penalty on their own man though, and Kimi wasn't affected
enough for it to be a factor.

Paul

CatharticF1 wrote:

Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThOR4JP6oQ

I don't know if you can classify a bit of wiggling as "changes to your
line" - for sure Alonso will have probably wanted to have a word about
it but once they get into the corner he's stuck anyway, and he doesn't
seem to have the speed to get closer on the straight. If Charlie thought
that amount of wiggling was unjustified or dangerous you can be sure
he'll have had a word in Hamilton's ear after the race. But I don't
think it's as bad as swinging right across the track and chopping in
front of another driver - he could've tried to chop Kimi's nose off and
then I think you would have something to complain about.

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Phil

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Paul Ian Harman wrote:

"CatharticF1" <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Xns9914A627C3C8Aeferrariheavennet (AT) 202 (DOT) 83.64.15...
Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?


I didn't like the look of that at all, no. It does look a bit "thou shalt
not pass".

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37...cannotpass.jpg


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forty

“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:49:03 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

CatharticF1 wrote:
Is that number of changes to your line not a little excessive? I expect he
was trying to cover Alonso and Kimi and mainly hindered Fred I expect. But
it was unusual, no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThOR4JP6oQ

I don't know if you can classify a bit of wiggling as "changes to your
line" - for sure Alonso will have probably wanted to have a word about
it but once they get into the corner he's stuck anyway, and he doesn't
seem to have the speed to get closer on the straight. If Charlie thought
that amount of wiggling was unjustified or dangerous you can be sure
he'll have had a word in Hamilton's ear after the race. But I don't
think it's as bad as swinging right across the track and chopping in
front of another driver - he could've tried to chop Kimi's nose off and
then I think you would have something to complain about.

I think it's worse than chopping. At least with the chop eveyone knew

what was coming and you stayed the hell off that side. What Lewis did
was not unlike when you see a guy in front of you on a road driving on
the line between the two lanes, wavering left and right.. Which lane
do you pick to pass ?

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Regards, Frank

I thought it was his 'tricky move' applied in a different way

a_Frank wrote:

I think it's worse than chopping. At least with the chop eveyone knew
what was coming and you stayed the hell off that side. What Lewis did
was not unlike when you see a guy in front of you on a road driving on
the line between the two lanes, wavering left and right.. Which lane
do you pick to pass ?

Well, going between Lewis and Kimi would've been crazy even if he'd not
been wiggling, so I'd pick down the inside, except there's loads of sand
down there so I'd get my tyres filthy just in time to try stopping on
cold brakes, so... probably I'd stay right where I was and try to pick
something up in T1, exactly like Alonso did.

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Phil

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