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Brian Lawrence
 
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Default Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 06:45 AM






For the record, the current 3-way tie for the WDC lead is almost a
first. There was a similar tie in 1950 when the first three races
had different winners who failed to score in the other two events.
However, the third event was the Indy 500, so it doesn't really count.

Another "first" - Hamilton is the first rookie to lead the WDC. There
is a proviso - excluding 1950 when the three leaders were all rookies
in the championship since there wasn't a championship before that
date.

In 1950 it was Farina/Fangio/Johnny Parsons.

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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 07:29 AM






Brian Lawrence wrote:
Quote:
For the record, the current 3-way tie for the WDC lead is almost a
first. There was a similar tie in 1950 when the first three races
had different winners who failed to score in the other two events.
However, the third event was the Indy 500, so it doesn't really count.

Another "first" - Hamilton is the first rookie to lead the WDC. There
is a proviso - excluding 1950 when the three leaders were all rookies
in the championship since there wasn't a championship before that
date.

In 1950 it was Farina/Fangio/Johnny Parsons.
Is it my imagination, or is there something unusual about this year?
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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 07:45 AM



Brian Lawrence wrote:
Quote:
For the record, the current 3-way tie for the WDC lead is almost a
first. There was a similar tie in 1950 when the first three races
had different winners who failed to score in the other two events.
However, the third event was the Indy 500, so it doesn't really count.

Another "first" - Hamilton is the first rookie to lead the WDC. There
is a proviso - excluding 1950 when the three leaders were all rookies
in the championship since there wasn't a championship before that
date.

In 1950 it was Farina/Fangio/Johnny Parsons.
Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does
countback not count until the end of the season?

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Brian Lawrence
 
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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 08:26 AM



"Phil Newnham" <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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Brian Lawrence wrote:
For the record, the current 3-way tie for the WDC lead is almost a
first. There was a similar tie in 1950 when the first three races
had different winners who failed to score in the other two events.
However, the third event was the Indy 500, so it doesn't really count.

Another "first" - Hamilton is the first rookie to lead the WDC. There
is a proviso - excluding 1950 when the three leaders were all rookies
in the championship since there wasn't a championship before that
date.

In 1950 it was Farina/Fangio/Johnny Parsons.

Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does countback
not count until the end of the season?
Technically - IE the FIA - have Alonso first, Kimi 2nd & Lewis 3rd, but no
one seems to feel that has any value unless there are ties at the end of
the season. It was never relevant over the previous 57.

In at least two places on autosport.com and in my newspaper it says we have 3
drivers in joint lead.

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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 08:42 AM



Brian Lawrence wrote:
Quote:
"Phil Newnham" <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Brian Lawrence wrote:
For the record, the current 3-way tie for the WDC lead is almost a
first. There was a similar tie in 1950 when the first three races
had different winners who failed to score in the other two events.
However, the third event was the Indy 500, so it doesn't really count.

Another "first" - Hamilton is the first rookie to lead the WDC. There
is a proviso - excluding 1950 when the three leaders were all rookies
in the championship since there wasn't a championship before that
date.

In 1950 it was Farina/Fangio/Johnny Parsons.
Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does countback
not count until the end of the season?

Technically - IE the FIA - have Alonso first, Kimi 2nd & Lewis 3rd, but no
one seems to feel that has any value unless there are ties at the end of
the season. It was never relevant over the previous 57.
Fair enough.

Quote:
In at least two places on autosport.com and in my newspaper it says we have 3
drivers in joint lead.
This is the way they put it on ITV - 3 drivers in joint lead although
technically Alonso would win on countback, ie. countback isn't relevant
until the end of the season.

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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 08:48 AM



Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does
countback not count until the end of the season?
Surely LH is third?

By my reasoning :
Kimi is leading with 1st, 3rd, 3rd
Fred is second with 2nd,1st, 5th

Should Kimi be ahead of Fred? Are two third places better than a second
and a fifth?

Lewis is third with 3rd, 2nd, 2nd
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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 08:49 AM



On Apr 16, 7:45 am, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_Lawre... (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
For the record, the current 3-way tie for the WDC lead is almost a
first. There was a similar tie in 1950 when the first three races
had different winners who failed to score in the other two events.
However, the third event was the Indy 500, so it doesn't really count.

Another "first" - Hamilton is the first rookie to lead the WDC. There
is a proviso - excluding 1950 when the three leaders were all rookies
in the championship since there wasn't a championship before that
date.

In 1950 it was Farina/Fangio/Johnny Parsons.

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Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawre... (AT) msn (DOT) com
The thee-way tie is great news for the sport. There are four real
contenders for the title this year and this season could go down as
one of the best ever. There is no dominant car and that will help to
create more excitement. I think the fact that everybody has to use the
same tyres is a great spot on rule.



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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 08:52 AM



ric zito wrote:
Quote:
Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does
countback not count until the end of the season?

Surely LH is third?

By my reasoning :
Kimi is leading with 1st, 3rd, 3rd
Fred is second with 2nd,1st, 5th

Should Kimi be ahead of Fred? Are two third places better than a second
and a fifth?
Kimi isn't leading by countback. Countback works like this - how many
wins do they have? 1-1 so no difference. How many 2nds? 1-0 therefore
Alonso is the technical leader, although since countback isn't used
except in the event of a draw at the end of the season, they can be
counted as all in the lead at the present time.

Quote:
Lewis is third with 3rd, 2nd, 2nd
From the point of view of countback, definitely, because he has 0 wins.

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David Taylor
 
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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 09:34 AM



On 2007-04-16, ric zito <ADDRESS (AT) IN (DOT) SIG> wrote:
Quote:
Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does
countback not count until the end of the season?

Surely LH is third?

By my reasoning :
Kimi is leading with 1st, 3rd, 3rd
Fred is second with 2nd,1st, 5th

Should Kimi be ahead of Fred? Are two third places better than a second
and a fifth?
According to the points system, 1st + 3rd + 3rd are equally as good as
2nd + 1st + 5th.

According to the tie-breaking rules, one second place beats any number of
third places.

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Default Re: Three-way tie - 04-16-2007 , 10:19 AM



On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:48:41 +0200, ADDRESS (AT) IN (DOT) SIG (ric zito) wrote:

Quote:
Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Is he technically in the lead, or does Alonso lead by countback? Or does
countback not count until the end of the season?

Surely LH is third?

By my reasoning :
Kimi is leading with 1st, 3rd, 3rd
Fred is second with 2nd,1st, 5th

Should Kimi be ahead of Fred? Are two third places better than a second
and a fifth?

Lewis is third with 3rd, 2nd, 2nd

No way.. you guys are so daft.
Both F and A are in front of K,R and L,H.
K is one letter in front of L, but R is way off from H.
So the order is :
Alonso
Hamilton
Raikkonen

It also makes a nice looking half pyramid.

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