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Default Re: Toyota pulling out of F1 - 11-04-2009 , 11:31 AM






Paul Harman wrote:
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Chad wrote:
Toyota might like to sell the team along with it's entry spot yet.
Not sure that would suit Qadbank who have already bought one team.


Hmmm. Weren't Sauber "guaranteed" the 13th slot if an existing team
pulled out? I'd assume that a management buy-out of Toyota would be
classed as a new team (cf Brawn this year) and would have to take its
chances at the back of the new teams queue.

Paul
I don't really know, but your probably correct.

The 5 Live F1 crew just yacked about it and no one seemed to have an opinion
who would have first dibs on Toyotas slot. They sounded a lot more concerned
about having at least 10 teams on the grid than who would be 13th.


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Default Re: Toyota pulling out of F1 - 11-05-2009 , 12:54 AM






On Nov 5, 6:39*am, APLer <AP... (AT) floor (DOT) tilde> wrote:

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That sounds too much like a cop out by Max to me.
He was saying it a time when manufacturers were upping their
involvement in the sport.

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I'd be interested in
knowing the *actual* reason why Porsche isn't interested in F1. It strikes
me that they had specific problems with F1 the way it's run.
It's nothing to do with Max, it predates that. In the 80s McLaren were
running Porsche-manufactured engines, but they had to get TAG to put
their name on the motor and pay for it. Porsche were not interested in
just producing the motors and supplying them to a team.

A bit later, in 1991, they decided that they WOULD provide engines to
an F1 team and did a deal with Arrows. The engines were so bad that
Arrows went back to Cosworth power (and I don't mean the Cosworth HB
that Benetton and Jordan were using).

F1 is not easy. Look at Peugeot - they had a big reputation in Le Mans
and rallying and then they tried F1. That didn't work out too well.

I think it's difficult for manufacturers that have built up a big
repuation in one form of motorsport, and got the marketing return that
goes with it, to take on another. Merc aren't trying WRC are they?
Porsche have a big reputation from endurance events. Unless they get
pretty good results pretty fast in F1 they probably have more to lose
than they have to gain.

It seems to me that a lot of manufacturers have an identity and a
marketing campaign that is built around their involvement and
reputation in certain forms of motorsport and that they would dilute
that if they went elsewhere and certainly they'd have to pump a lot of
money into building a reputation from that new involvement - with no
guarantee that the investment would pay off.

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Default Re: Toyota pulling out of F1 - 11-05-2009 , 01:21 PM



on 11/4/09 10:31 AM Chad said the following:
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Paul Harman wrote:
Chad wrote:
Toyota might like to sell the team along with it's entry spot yet.
Not sure that would suit Qadbank who have already bought one team.


Hmmm. Weren't Sauber "guaranteed" the 13th slot if an existing team
pulled out? I'd assume that a management buy-out of Toyota would be
classed as a new team (cf Brawn this year) and would have to take its
chances at the back of the new teams queue.

Paul

I don't really know, but your probably correct.

The 5 Live F1 crew just yacked about it and no one seemed to have an opinion
who would have first dibs on Toyotas slot. They sounded a lot more concerned
about having at least 10 teams on the grid than who would be 13th.


Looks like a big crash is coming across all asset classes. The tsunami
will be Option ARMs, Commercial Real Estate, and Leveraged Commodity and
Carry Trade. Probably not until early next year as the FED/Treasury
will be propping up the world economy on funny money until the moment of
reckoning. I am wondering if money market funds will be safe in this
forthcoming storm...Kudos to Toyota for conservative planning. F Bernie.

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