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Phil Carmody
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-30-2007 , 06:26 PM






address (AT) in (DOT) sig (ric zito) writes:
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prodriver <rileyracing (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hooooray ! TC is gone. Let the real racing begin in '08.

The real racing? Now it just means that the only way they can govern
the teams from hiding traction control in their systems is by
implementing a standard ECU for all teams to use,

It's the only realistic way of policing the legality of the software.

which then kills the sport.

Um, no. On the contrary : it brings back lurid power slides on the exits
of corners. It brings back driver error and driver skill, balancing 900
hp on the right foot. It puts the human back in the equation.

It doesn't kill the sport. It revives it from near death!
With Ric on this one. More driving, less like a nintendo with
'faster' and 'slower' buttons.

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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-30-2007 , 07:52 PM






prodriver wrote:
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On Mar 30, 11:40 am, a_Frank <f... (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:23:05 +0200, ADDR... (AT) IN (DOT) SIG (ric zito) wrote:
Prosch <interlagos... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57702
No surprise Ferrari were the only team who voted against.
Prove it.
Oh who the feck cares.

Hooooray ! TC is gone. Let the real racing begin in '08.

The real racing? Now it just means that the only way they can govern
the teams from hiding traction control in their systems is by
implementing a standard ECU for all teams to use, which then kills the
sport.
There's nothing wrong with a standard ECU with a limited amount of
customisation available. What you want is for the teams to be able to do
what they used to do before TC was invented - ie. fuel maps, ignition
timing, any kind of complex engine management they like that leads to
increased power or better driveability in terms of power delivery, by
means of customising the ECU settings to suit their engine, whilst at
the same time being absolutely certain that they don't have the
possibility to implement a feedback loop.

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I don't want to watch F1 turn into another Champ Car.
Customer cars will do that far quicker than spec ECUs. And the GPMA was
threatening to do it even faster, but they backed down, for the time being.

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Phil Newnham
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-30-2007 , 07:56 PM



Von Fourche wrote:
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"Prosch" <interlagos21k (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1175263266.693773.66780 (AT) p77g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57702

No surprise Ferrari were the only team who voted against.
The final nail in Gay Mike's coffin for a gap year return. The last
time he drove without traction control was early 1993.

This is so stupid. I heard so much about TC from 2000 to 2004. Seemed
like I heard
nothing about it the last two years Alonso was winning. Now why bring it
up? Are they
afraid Kimi is going to run away with the championship like Schumi did all
those years?
No - this has been on the agenda for ages. In fact the FIA wanted to
introduce it sooner but they were blocked by the teams bickering, and an
inability to forcibly introduce a spec ECU. They saw they had their
opportunity to introduce it in 2008 when the new Concorde agreement
comes into force, and since the teams eventually all signed up, now they
can do it. Since Ferrari were the first team to sign, you can take what
you want from their stance on the issue.

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a_Frank
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 02:29 AM



On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:19:54 +0100, Richard Miller
<richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:

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In message <1hvtaf4.14knp461p2wybcN%address (AT) in (DOT) sig>, ric zito
address (AT) in (DOT) sig> writes
prodriver <rileyracing (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hooooray ! TC is gone. Let the real racing begin in '08.

The real racing? Now it just means that the only way they can govern
the teams from hiding traction control in their systems is by
implementing a standard ECU for all teams to use,

It's the only realistic way of policing the legality of the software.

which then kills the sport.

Um, no. On the contrary : it brings back lurid power slides on the exits
of corners. It brings back driver error and driver skill, balancing 900
hp on the right foot. It puts the human back in the equation.

It doesn't kill the sport. It revives it from near death!

And I am willing to put down a marker now that I believe Button will
cope with this better than most other drivers.

Button ? Button !? Are you stirring me up Rich ? ;-)

Nah, i agree though, he seems to be a more classical driver and not so
much reliant on all this techno gizmo. I think JPM himself might be
thinking now that he left a year or two too early.
Alonso on the other hand, with his love for understeer, might find
snap spins a new feature to combat when exiting turns. Kimi could also
find it hard, because he is very very early on the gas out of turns
and that habit will have to be curbed a bit.

In the end, all the older ones, including Button<g> will have to
relearn a bit of driving and meanwhile some surprising names may just
come to the top. The newbs who just came out of GP2 for instance, may
not be too conditioned into RPD(role playing driving) and that should
be good for them.

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Obsidian
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 03:32 AM



a_Frank fajp (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au said:
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Button ? Button !? Are you stirring me up Rich ? ;-)

Oh! C'mon! There was a day when Jenson Button started an F1 race and he'd
never actually done anything! Jenson's first year had him racing F1 with the
push-button launch control!

I almost gave up on F1 when they had that stuff, and even more when it was
mentioned that the launch control was initiated by a photo-sensitive device
detecting the change of the lights, and not even the push-button genius of the
driver!

Am I happy that those days are over!

Who needs monkeys when the machines will do the job?



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Richard Miller
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 03:36 AM



In message <llvr03h6v83ahmbekt40d2mvg00lc2sqdg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, a_Frank
<fajp (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> writes
Quote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:19:54 +0100, Richard Miller
richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:


Um, no. On the contrary : it brings back lurid power slides on the exits
of corners. It brings back driver error and driver skill, balancing 900
hp on the right foot. It puts the human back in the equation.

It doesn't kill the sport. It revives it from near death!

And I am willing to put down a marker now that I believe Button will
cope with this better than most other drivers.

Button ? Button !? Are you stirring me up Rich ? ;-)
After our recent debate, I guessed that might provoke a reaction. :-)

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Nah, i agree though, he seems to be a more classical driver and not so
much reliant on all this techno gizmo. I think JPM himself might be
thinking now that he left a year or two too early.
Could be. He would have been *very* exciting to watch without TC.

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Alonso on the other hand, with his love for understeer, might find
snap spins a new feature to combat when exiting turns. Kimi could also
find it hard, because he is very very early on the gas out of turns
and that habit will have to be curbed a bit.
Very likely.

Quote:
In the end, all the older ones, including Button<g
OK, OK, I'll give you that one! But the same also applies to Webber.

Quote:
will have to
relearn a bit of driving and meanwhile some surprising names may just
come to the top. The newbs who just came out of GP2 for instance, may
not be too conditioned into RPD(role playing driving) and that should
be good for them.

So it could be good for Hamilton, Kubica, Kovalainen and young Piquet if
he joins us. That would make life extremely interesting.
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Ian Dalziel
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 04:15 AM



On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:32:34 -0400, Obsidian <obsidian00 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

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Jenson's first year had him racing F1 with the push-button launch control!
In 2000? Why did no-one protest such blatant cheating?

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Thor
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 06:33 AM



Phil Newnham wrote:


Quote:
"Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel
spin is not permitted."

And radio with pitbox..
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News
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 08:34 AM





Ian Dalziel wrote:

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:32:34 -0400, Obsidian <obsidian00 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:


Jenson's first year had him racing F1 with the push-button launch control!


In 2000? Why did no-one protest such blatant cheating?


There was never any risk of him learning how to push them...


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James Connors
 
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Default Re: Traction Control banned for 2008 - 03-31-2007 , 03:28 PM



a_Frank penned the following at 30/03/2007 10:40 AM:

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Oh who the feck cares.

Hooooray ! TC is gone. Let the real racing begin in '08.
Ran across this article about the ultimate, I would imagine, go-kart
experience and thought you might be interested?

LAS VEGAS | WEEKEND GETAWAYS
Bright lights & big engines rule in Las Vegas

VIDEO: In a city of thrills, our auto critic Dan Neil finds a racing
experience to scream for.

By Dan Neil, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 29, 2007

It's a special moment for every race driver. You tighten the belts, flip
down your visor and — quietly, in the privacy of your full-face helmet —
say the Shepard's Prayer. That's Alan Shepard, the astronaut: "Please,
Lord, don't let me screw up." Actually, I'm paraphrasing.

Sitting on the pit road at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, cinched into a
recently retired Formula One car, I've got good reason to be spiritual.
This is no ordinary race car — more like a hand grenade with a steering
wheel — and a significant driving error here could end in a six-figure
pile of carbon fiber.

Continues at:

http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-formula1apr01

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Cheerie-vederci . . .

j a m e s

Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.
-- Gilbert Keith Chesterton



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