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Tracy: Montoya's style not NASCAR friendly
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Re: Tracy: Montoya's style not NASCAR friendly -
07-14-2006
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And Paul Tracy was in F1 when? Didn't he fail an F1 test (a la Al Unser Jr.*?). No, he didn't fail the test. Flavio tried to pressure him into an offer but he |
with Penske. Michael Schumacher liked his driving a lot.
Why are you spouting so many ignorant remarks? Are you drinking or just an
idiot?
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rst <senninha (AT) ziplip (DOT) com> wrote: And Paul Tracy was in F1 when? Didn't he fail an F1 test (a la Al Unser Jr.*?). No, he didn't fail the test. Flavio tried to pressure him into an offer but he was there without his father (manager) and declined. After that, he resigned with Penske. Michael Schumacher liked his driving a lot. Why are you spouting so many ignorant remarks? Are you drinking or just an idiot? |
His comments about passenger automobiles are just as stupid and uninformed as
his F1 racing insights. He should stick to NASCAR where he'd doubtless be
looked up to as a fountain of knowledge.
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The trucks aren't even trucks. Change the roll cage a bit, put on a new skin and they're the same as Busch cars. |
So I wouldn't expect the trucks to be a truck.
The trucks are different in the amount of downforce they
have because of that huge wing. And the downforce can easily
be taken off of you by a guy going on the outside exiting a
corner.
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It's a series for rookies, never-beens and has-beens. |
some guys who have found a nick their (Todd Bodine, Mark
Martin if he can ever make up his mind as to which series
he's running). I wish we could get better teams and more
sponsors for the trucks, there are guys who have one the
championship and have won races this year I believe that
don't have a sponsor. And the payouts in trucks aren't
good enough to cover a team without a sponsor for very
long.
sam
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Incidentally, can anyone here following Nascar tell me what's happening to the Aussie guy who went over there ? His name is Ambrose. |
http://www.racing-reference.com/driver?id=ambroma01
He started poll for the last race and led 49 laps. He's been
consistently getting better at it, as his record shows.
He looks good in the Gong Show, a lot of the guys at the
end did.
sam
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I heard he had to sit out the first few races because Nascar didn't think he had enough experience to race on the ovals. |
Montoya show that he is good enough on the slower ovals before
they let him attempt Daytona.
If Montoya's handlers are smart, they'll put him in an ARCA
race or two and let him get familiar with those, then slowly
move him up.
sam
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You're right; I wasn't aware of that. I've never watched a truck race which to me is really a silly form of racing. |
sorta forget that its a pickup truck body racing.
As I get older, I'm gravitating more towards the truck
races. I like that they are shorter and the teams are
way limited in how many sets of tires they get. You have
to conserve your tires early in a run because you don't
have a set waiting for you during every caution like cup.
sam
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Big difference though between a demo run and racing. That tradin paint deal was nothing more than a demo run. Talking heads were raving about how fast Gordon was, but failed to consider a number of issues. First is the fact that Montoya at the time was probably not taking the car to the limit. The set up had to have been somewhat conservative, as it should have been for someone that had never been in that type of car. Granted this wasn't the same type of demo run that Sarah Fisher got. At least he did really get to drive the car. Yes he did a good job, but there is a huge difference between how well someone could test a car and how well they will race it. Put an aggressive set up on it and tell Juan he's racing for his job and see how big the difference is? I bet it would be a whole lot more than 1.5 secs a lap. Made no sense to do that for a lot of reasons. One is Williams didn't want a torn up race car, even one thats a year old. Two Nascar didn't want Jeff hurt in a demo run, which again made perfect sense. |
same ballpark as an established driver. It's all about relative
laptimes. Regardless of how you try to discredit Gordon's performance
in the demo run, the reality is he could have gone a lot slower.
Somehow, I doubt anyone on the Williams team was expecting him to be
so quick so fast, even if they did give him the "slow settings."
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Put Jeff in a Ferrari right now and race him against Scott Speed in new named Minardi and Id pick Scott to win right now based on experience. Put Michael Schumacher in the 24 for a race and Jeff in anything you want and Jeff would easily dominate Michael. |
someone gets up to speed. You obviously don't realize how much faster
a F1 car is compared to a Cup car. Put Scott Speed in a competitive
car that's two seconds quicker than what he's in now. He'll
probably tell you how much faster everything is going. Gordon's Cup car
was over /half a minute/ slower than JPM's Williams. Half a minute vs. a
couple of seconds. The Williams, in its slow settings, would have
lapped the Cup car in three laps at Indy. So, Gordon, not having driven
anything faster than his Cup car for the previous ten years or so, jumps
into a car that's over 30 seconds a lap faster, and gets within two
seconds of Montoya after seven laps. If you want to armchair race, see
how Scott Speed would have done if he had jumped from karts or f-renault
right into a F1 car. A team would be happy if a driver got within two
seconds by the end of a proper testing day. Just for shits and giggles,
Gordon does it in seven laps.
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It's not a matter of getting confused. Its a matter of trained reflexes and instincts. Juan has trained his entire life to react in certain ways in certain situations. From karting up through champ cars and into F1, those cars all react in very different ways from a stock car. If he reacts the same ways, it won't work. Trouble is these are reactions not thought out processes. You don't teach hands as quick as Juan's, but that might not help you in stock cars. |
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Montoya's car had a neutral set up in order to make it easier for Jeff Gordon to adjust. |
than his Cup car at the Indy road course.
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His time would have been worse if the car hadn't been set up that way. |
have been worse if he had less talent. ;-)
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If I wanted to do that, I'd vote." --Duckman
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In rec.autos.sport.f1 Hal S. <h.sanders (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: This response has nothing to do with either of these 2 groups, but here it is. The trucks aren't even trucks. Change the roll cage a bit, put on a new skin and they're the same as Busch cars. Sorta kinda not quite. A 'stock car' isn't a "stock car". So I wouldn't expect the trucks to be a truck. The trucks are different in the amount of downforce they have because of that huge wing. And the downforce can easily be taken off of you by a guy going on the outside exiting a corner. It's a series for rookies, never-beens and has-beens. Yeah, sad that its worked out that way. There appear to be some guys who have found a nick their (Todd Bodine, Mark Martin if he can ever make up his mind as to which series he's running). I wish we could get better teams and more sponsors for the trucks, there are guys who have one the championship and have won races this year I believe that don't have a sponsor. And the payouts in trucks aren't good enough to cover a team without a sponsor for very long. sam ----------------------------------- |
I've never asserted the cars were "stock" cars; they haven't been for many
years. A car can be a Dodge one week and changed into a Ford for the next
week. Even the shape isn't "stock" anymore. I don't believe the "trucks"
are necessary. Their are enough classes of racing existing already without
dividing up the pie even smaller. I can understand why sponsors are scarce
in the "truck" series. Like baseball, football, basketball players, etc., a
series shouldn't exist just to provide the underachievers with employment.
Hal S.
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In rec.autos.sport.f1 Da Frank <fajp (AT) ooptushome (DOT) com.au> wrote: Incidentally, can anyone here following Nascar tell me what's happening to the Aussie guy who went over there ? His name is Ambrose. Marcos has looked good, check out http://www.racing-reference.com/driver?id=ambroma01 He started poll for the last race and led 49 laps. He's been consistently getting better at it, as his record shows. He looks good in the Gong Show, a lot of the guys at the end did. sam |
I don't think his record shows that: only one top ten in the "truck" series.
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