Luigi Topolino wrote:
Increased volume from where, exactly? 3 extra teams vs. 1 evolution per
season instead of loads of evolutions for their current clients is not
increased volume, except to those who can't count. And the many
manufacturers who build competitor parts will lose out to the one who
holds the contract, and the losers will often be in the MIA as well as
the winner. And how much development costs do you really think they pay?
Many of the parts will be made to a drawing developed by the F1 team,
and many other parts, the F1 team will gladly pay the development costs,
if it makes them faster. Less development cost = less opportunity to
charge it to the F1 team = greater loss.

Ailing? TAG? They already make F1 ECUs, that's why they were chosen.
It's an irrelevance. Its worth, against the worth of the parts made over
and redeveloped and paid for over and over again throughout the season,
is nothing. Where do you think the millions and millions the teams spend
goes, exactly? If they have much smaller budgets, because the formula is
cheaper, then the suppliers will necessarily make much less money.
Rocket science, it ain't.

What are you trying to say here? That these are not currently made out
for the British teams by local suppliers, in many cases many times per
season? That they could earn more money by making spec parts once
instead of developing new ones many times? Bullshit.

And the designated manufacturers will lose out in the process, and their
competitors will all die. And most of the competition will be based in
the UK because that's where most of the teams are.

--
Phil

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On Jan 26, 8:17 pm, Luigi Topolino <tif... (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote:
And who do you imagine might pick up the contract for a spec
transmission (assuming such a thing is required)? The days of bolting a
Hewland box onto the back of a Cosworth DFV are long gone.

On 26 Jan 2007 20:53:33 -0800, "Bob Dubery" <megapode (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Xtrac, but don't let that get in the way of your ranting.

But if Ferrari continue to cast their blocks and heads with the same
slapdash attitude to safety they demonstrate in their road car factory
they might have to have those cast in England too. Pouring molten
aluminium over employees as Luigi goes hell for leather in his souped
up forklift is bad news. That those employees are all walking by in
street attire with no safety clothing is really scary. It's not
happened just yet, but everyone in industry who's seen the video
floating around of their pristine production facility (designed by a
complete tosser in a suit) is wide eyed by the complete lack of ANY
safety culture at Ferrari.


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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:35:36 +0000, Not Bernie Ecclestone
<nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
....And purely your trumped up insinuation.

Ah, the magic words.

....You think TV commercials and action movies depict reality, don't
you?
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"...Luigi follow only the Ferraris."

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:11:49 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:
The whole grid >> a fraction of the grid.

Do you really think monopoly politics has even a shred of altruism?

This is a deal done by old school chums in a clubroom which hasn't
seen the light of day nor human consideration since Nelson smote the
wogs at Trafalgar.

You've never had 'the Widget course', have you?

No, it's not. The point here was the monopoly on the primary cheater
part has been given to a technical partner (part owner still?) of a
team dramatically (albeit not as bad as Williams) on the skids.

They will now be made for EVERYONE by select British suppliers, by
regulation. Or did you imagine ZF or Getrag will get the gearbox
contract, Brembo the brakes, Mahle the piston sets, Sachs the
clutches, etc.,?

....I can just imagine the din you chauvinistic howler monkeys would
set up had Magnetti Marelli been anointed with the ECU contract.

Nobody loses from a monopoly.

....By regulation, rather than fair competition.

"...Isn't that special?"

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"...Luigi follow only the Ferraris."

Luigi Topolino wrote:
The whole grid once << a fraction of the grid 30 times per year.

This is your imagination. There is no such deal.

Which has a bearing on their ability to make ECUs because? Do you even
know if Magnetti Marelli tried, or if they did, why they were rejected?
You are suspicious because a) you believe they will cheat and b) because
you can't stand to see anyone from Britain win anything, even if it's a
poxy contract for a cheap item that's basically irrelevant.

You're extrapolating based on one contract - you have no idea who will
get the contracts for anything else. There is no regulation that says
the manufacturers will be British. In any case the gearboxes should be
made by Ricardo, because they're better at it than ZF and Getrag.

Why would I care either way? The ECU contract matters not one tiny bit
because so long as the ECU has customisable settings, and it must do in
order to suit more than one engine, then it is not important to the
nature of the sport that it is spec. The teams will do what they always
do, which is to set it up for their car themselves using any and all
tools at their disposal and we will see a difference based on creativity
and engineering skill. It is an irrelevance in every sense who makes it,
the purpose is to ban traction control, and that is what it does.

Everybody loses except the monopolists. Most of whom will be MIA
members. When will you see that standardisation of parts suits only the
budget holders who can see reduced spending on F1 - ie. all the
manufacturers, including Ferrari, and not the suppliers who, apart from
a select few, will all go out of business? You really have no idea how
many companies in Britain that is, do you? What's most amusing about
your fantasy world you've so carefully constructed is that neither TAG
nor McLaren are even members of the MIA.

--
Phil

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:57:52 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:
....Thank the bloody BMIA, kids.


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"...Luigi follow only the Ferraris."

Luigi Topolino wrote:
....when you've lost, snip argument and spout rhetoric over again? TAG
isn't in the MIA. McLaren isn't in the MIA. Spec F1 will come about
because the manufacturers want to reduce their exposure whilst
maintaining their marketing tool, and it has nothing to do with the MIA
at all.

--
Phil

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:53:42 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:
Lost?

"Argument"?

You fixed your position on this and all matters involving the British
reduction and desecration of Formula One years ago.

You brook no alternative to your theocratic dogma.

The "argument" is snipped because it's the same narrow-minded,
self-serving, jingoistic chauvinism over and over: The gainsaying of
any thought that doesn't reinforce the opinion that whatever England
does to F1 in the foolish attempt to salvage some shred of national
pride if not dignity is jolly well played.

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"...Luigi follow only the Ferraris."

Luigi Topolino <tifoso (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote:

Sorry Mark, but "mwahahahahahahaha!"
If that isn't a P calling a KB, I'll eat my chapeau.
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