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Default Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-24-2007 , 07:15 PM






It seems as though our first responses to seeing a newly-debuted F1 car
are most often that it is "beautiful" or "ugly".

As Shakespeare once memorably said "There was no thought of pleasing
you when I was named."
Then he hurriedly added "-- alack, I who am not shaped for sportive
tricks nor made to court the amourous looking-glass (Dick 3) -- for my
designers were actually concentrating on engineering efficiency,
forsooth, but if thine eyes are displeased, sirrah, we shall anon and
with all haste stop work and put ye lipstick and trendy shapes thereon
---"

What are the stats for wins by "ugly" cars?


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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-24-2007 , 07:19 PM






On 24 Jan 2007 16:15:24 -0800, "brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com"
<brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
It seems as though our first responses to seeing a newly-debuted F1 car
are most often that it is "beautiful" or "ugly".

As Shakespeare once memorably said "There was no thought of pleasing
you when I was named."
Then he hurriedly added "-- alack, I who am not shaped for sportive
tricks nor made to court the amourous looking-glass (Dick 3) -- for my
designers were actually concentrating on engineering efficiency,
forsooth, but if thine eyes are displeased, sirrah, we shall anon and
with all haste stop work and put ye lipstick and trendy shapes thereon
---"

What are the stats for wins by "ugly" cars?
McLaren got shut out last season.


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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-24-2007 , 10:12 PM



Luigi Topolino <tifoso (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in
news:fqtfr2tfbbg3q8uebfdb1616e0tubduccr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Quote:
On 24 Jan 2007 16:15:24 -0800, "brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com"
brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
It seems as though our first responses to seeing a newly-debuted F1 car
are most often that it is "beautiful" or "ugly".

As Shakespeare once memorably said "There was no thought of pleasing
you when I was named."
Then he hurriedly added "-- alack, I who am not shaped for sportive
tricks nor made to court the amourous looking-glass (Dick 3) -- for my
designers were actually concentrating on engineering efficiency,
forsooth, but if thine eyes are displeased, sirrah, we shall anon and
with all haste stop work and put ye lipstick and trendy shapes thereon
---"

What are the stats for wins by "ugly" cars?

McLaren got shut out last season.
Nice one

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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-24-2007 , 11:35 PM



On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:12:25 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:
Luigi Topolino <tifoso (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in
news:fqtfr2tfbbg3q8uebfdb1616e0tubduccr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

On 24 Jan 2007 16:15:24 -0800, "brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com"
brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
It seems as though our first responses to seeing a newly-debuted F1 car
are most often that it is "beautiful" or "ugly".

As Shakespeare once memorably said "There was no thought of pleasing
you when I was named."
Then he hurriedly added "-- alack, I who am not shaped for sportive
tricks nor made to court the amourous looking-glass (Dick 3) -- for my
designers were actually concentrating on engineering efficiency,
forsooth, but if thine eyes are displeased, sirrah, we shall anon and
with all haste stop work and put ye lipstick and trendy shapes thereon
---"

What are the stats for wins by "ugly" cars?

McLaren got shut out last season.

Nice one

How do you define nice ?

What you F1 newbs forget, is that a lot of the shape of body parts is
made by the decision of computers and wind tunnels.
So, let's blame Phil.

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Regards, Frank


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AC
 
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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-25-2007 , 02:31 AM




"Luigi Topolino" <tifoso (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On 24 Jan 2007 16:15:24 -0800, "brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com"
brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
It seems as though our first responses to seeing a newly-debuted F1
car
are most often that it is "beautiful" or "ugly".

As Shakespeare once memorably said "There was no thought of pleasing
you when I was named."
Then he hurriedly added "-- alack, I who am not shaped for sportive
tricks nor made to court the amourous looking-glass (Dick 3) -- for
my
designers were actually concentrating on engineering efficiency,
forsooth, but if thine eyes are displeased, sirrah, we shall anon
and
with all haste stop work and put ye lipstick and trendy shapes
thereon
---"

What are the stats for wins by "ugly" cars?

McLaren got shut out last season.

And wasnt it Ron Dennis who says that if it looks right it will go
right. (Actually I think he was quoting someone like Ken Tyrrell.)

AC




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AC
 
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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-25-2007 , 02:40 AM




"a_Frank" <fajp (AT) notthis (DOT) optushome.com.au> wrote

Quote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:12:25 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net
wrote:

Luigi Topolino <tifoso (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in
news:fqtfr2tfbbg3q8uebfdb1616e0tubduccr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

On 24 Jan 2007 16:15:24 -0800, "brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com"
brafield (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
It seems as though our first responses to seeing a newly-debuted
F1 car
are most often that it is "beautiful" or "ugly".

As Shakespeare once memorably said "There was no thought of
pleasing
you when I was named."
Then he hurriedly added "-- alack, I who am not shaped for
sportive
tricks nor made to court the amourous looking-glass (Dick 3) --
for my
designers were actually concentrating on engineering efficiency,
forsooth, but if thine eyes are displeased, sirrah, we shall anon
and
with all haste stop work and put ye lipstick and trendy shapes
thereon
---"

What are the stats for wins by "ugly" cars?

McLaren got shut out last season.

Nice one

How do you define nice ?

What you F1 newbs forget, is that a lot of the shape of body parts
is
made by the decision of computers and wind tunnels.
So, let's blame Phil.

--

Yes, but a great colour scheme can rescue an iffy looking car. Of
course sponsors dictate the colours, but its a human who decides how
to apply them.

Of course none of hat has anything to do with performance. Just
sayin.......

AC




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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-25-2007 , 04:11 AM



AC wrote:

Quote:
And wasnt it Ron Dennis who says that if it looks right it will go
right. (Actually I think he was quoting someone like Ken Tyrrell.)

AC
Well, Ferrari has shown us that, starting to work properly when erasing that
wing box .

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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-25-2007 , 05:01 AM



a_Frank wrote:
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How do you define nice ?
For me, an F1 car looks at its best flat out through the 180R, or
Becketts, or the Parabolica. If it looks like it's going that fast when
it's not moving, so much the better. Aesthetically if it looks like it
does the job it was designed for, then the chances are that I like it. I
don't think an F1 car should look like it was designed by someone with
an art degree.

Quote:
What you F1 newbs forget, is that a lot of the shape of body parts is
made by the decision of computers and wind tunnels.
So, let's blame Phil.
You can blame me if you want, but I don't work in F1, and I don't really
want to, anymore.

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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-25-2007 , 05:04 AM



On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:40:12 GMT, "AC" <alancx (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
What you F1 newbs forget, is that a lot of the shape of body parts
is
made by the decision of computers and wind tunnels.
So, let's blame Phil.

Yes, but a great colour scheme can rescue an iffy looking car. Of
course sponsors dictate the colours, but its a human who decides how
to apply them.

Of course none of hat has anything to do with performance. Just
sayin.......

That's true, but now i wonder how the negotiations with sponsors would
go. I see the scenario, where say, ING says 'ok, we'll give you X
amount, which is quite substantial, but we want our logo on the front
wing'. What can the team do ? I don't know how many major sponsors are
queuing up, but there can't be a lot of them.

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Regards, Frank


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Default Re: Ugly Cars are inherently slow and / or unsuccessful? - 01-25-2007 , 05:42 AM



Phil Newnham <pnewnham (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
a_Frank wrote:
How do you define nice ?

For me, an F1 car looks at its best flat out through the 180R, or
Is that 130R when you *really* get the tail hanging out?

Quote:
You can blame me if you want, but I don't work in F1, and I don't really
want to, anymore.

Very sensible.

pete
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