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Waiting for MS to retire?
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Re: Waiting for MS to retire? -
07-27-2006
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Mark wrote: Ferrari personnel and MS have been bonding for years so just anybody can't go in as a newbie and expecting being treated equally even if it is written in the contract. |
again.
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"mace" <mmace (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1154036042.892829.76710 (AT) 75g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... Mark wrote: Ferrari personnel and MS have been bonding for years so just anybody can't go in as a newbie and expecting being treated equally even if it is written in the contract. I hope your post doesn't kickoff another round of "Gay Michael" drivel again. |
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Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! s/s Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. |
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"Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4isk1aF55vbiU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! s/s Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. And which of those would you consider a better driver than Schumacher ? |
can actually do. However when he was with Jordan he was often beaten by
Martin Brundle, when he was at Benetton he was no better than Johnny
Herbert until he insisted on Flav denying Johnny track testing time and
refusing to share telemetry information.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. Unless your definition of "Team" means "Ferrari plus Schumacher and no-one else". |
and gave both Eddie and Barrichello race wins.
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Ex_OWM wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4isk1aF55vbiU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! s/s Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. And which of those would you consider a better driver than Schumacher ? We'll never know because they've never been allowed to show what they can actually do. However when he was with Jordan he was often beaten by Martin Brundle, when he was at Benetton he was no better than Johnny Herbert until he insisted on Flav denying Johnny track testing time and refusing to share telemetry information. |
So, had Benetton a major German sponsor at the time?
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Paul-B wrote: Ex_OWM wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4isk1aF55vbiU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! s/s Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. And which of those would you consider a better driver than Schumacher ? We'll never know because they've never been allowed to show what they can actually do. However when he was with Jordan he was often beaten by Martin Brundle, when he was at Benetton he was no better than Johnny Herbert until he insisted on Flav denying Johnny track testing time and refusing to share telemetry information. So, had Benetton a major German sponsor at the time? |
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On 27 Jul 2006 19:55:22 GMT, "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote: Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. Unless your definition of "Team" means "Ferrari plus Schumacher and no-one else". Hey, Schumacher tried to win a championship for Eddie bloody Irvine, and gave both Eddie and Barrichello race wins. |
were in front and were forced to slow and let him by... like, for
instance, a certain occasion in Austria.
You've just proved my point. Thank you.
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Ex_OWM wrote: "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4isk1aF55vbiU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! s/s Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. And which of those would you consider a better driver than Schumacher ? We'll never know because they've never been allowed to show what they can actually do. However when he was with Jordan he was often beaten by Martin Brundle, when he was at Benetton he was no better than Johnny Herbert until he insisted on Flav denying Johnny track testing time and refusing to share telemetry information. |
And do explain to me why Team X would back Driver Y if Driver Z were
better?
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CatharticF1
"What you thought was Freedom is just Greed."
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Mark Jones wrote: On 27 Jul 2006 19:55:22 GMT, "Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote: Your Pal... Sal wrote: I agree that this would make really good sense from Kimi's perspective. No body's taken into consideration that MS might just conceed to taking the 2nd seat next year if Kimi turns out to be good enough to inherit the primary driver of the future for Ferrari, Everyone assums MS's ego is too big for such consideration. Schumacher, if anything, has always been a team player! Tell Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipen Massa and Johnny Herbert that and you'll have them laughing all the way home. Unless your definition of "Team" means "Ferrari plus Schumacher and no-one else". Hey, Schumacher tried to win a championship for Eddie bloody Irvine, and gave both Eddie and Barrichello race wins. How gracious. He "gave" them race wins. Not a word about the times they were in front and were forced to slow and let him by... like, for instance, a certain occasion in Austria. You've just proved my point. Thank you. |
When Senna gave a win to Berger in Japan it was gracious.
When DC moved over for Mika in Melbourne and Jerez it was 'jolly decent'
of him.
When MS dominates a race and hands a win to Irvine it's meaningless.
And when MS seemingly 'accidentally' gave a win to Rubens in Indy that
too can't be interpreted in any positive way. Instead make sure the
interpretation matches your preconceptions, Paul.
Ferrari are a team and not run by MS despite them long having seen him as
'key'. But Austria 2002 was about the team, and in fact the attributes
you attribute to MS would have made Austria even more difficult for him
to accept - if you're correct that would have been excruciating. And if
you're wrong it would have been just uncomfortable.
Which is where Indy came from, to correct the ledger.
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CatharticF1
"What you thought was Freedom is just Greed."
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