What's going on?

#11

"AC" <xxx (AT) xxx (DOT) xxx> wrote in news:LLpIm.26686$6O1.25790 (AT) newsfe08 (DOT) ams2:

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"Mike P" <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

It reads like a defense against Max saying, "Look, told you so. Ha ha
ha".

Any one who looks at the losses of these companies and thinks that
ponsing about doing F1 is some how going to please share holders is
living on a different planet. Especially when they sell road cars and
there are other places to show case and develop them. F1 is ridiculously
expensive, and that has been caused in part by the manufacturers.

Funny that Toyota and BMW were a strong part of FOTA, opposed cost
cutting, then left. Perhaps Renault too. Way to go FOTA. Talk about
poisoning the well.

And what was the biggest waste of them all? KERS Something the teams had

no part in proposing. Sorry, but this wasting money hand over fist is
nonsence IMHO. Just like the argument that NASA and pure research are
wasted money. The only people who say that are dull-witted politicians
that don't care if they're right. They're going for the lowest common
denominator - votes. Enter Max and his unbreakable election record. Open
up the engines and go back to one aero surface on the front, one on the
back, a difuser, and no protruberances that weren't there at the beginning
of the season. Someone may even come up with the next traction control or
ABS. They both happened before Max was in.

#12

Mike P <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in news:7le7b8F3df4mpU1
@mid.individual.net:

Quote:

Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

We tifosi are so proud

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#13

WebSlave <webslavenews (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote in
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Chad wrote:

There has to be something us average fans don't understand about the
testing ban.

I don't think I can recall any team or driver criticising it despite
so many fans thinking it has turned out to be an obvious mistake.

Bernie got it half right. Testing doesn't bring in any money, racing
does. From a fan's point of view, testing doesn't improve racing, nor
does it provide much extra excitement.

With more testing, the big teams would correct their mistakes faster,
which means more predictable results. Not desirable, unless you want
you favourite team to benefit from it.

The only obvious drawback is the lack of testing for third drivers.
They are less prepared to step in, if needed. This was taken into
consideration with the test ban (young drivers only tests), but
apparently not enough.

Maybe Bernie's suggestion of monday testing will correct this, but I'd
rather see thursday testing. The media is already present, and all
testing is focused to do well at the races anyway. So why not test at
the very circuit they will race the next weekend? Why test on monday,
when the race has already been raced (and possible new parts
introduced on friday)?

Indeed, Monday testing is the ultimate anti-climax. Fans, teams and
drivers will be nothing like as engaged as for Thursday when the
anticipation is so great. And by exempting the engine / gearboxes for
this the third drivers could be back in play. And surely eveyone accepts
the need for that.

And a batch of times we should ignore but will still argue over the
significance of.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#14

CatharticF1 wrote:

Quote:

Mike P <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in news:7le7b8F3df4mpU1
@mid.individual.net:

Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

We tifauxsi are so proud

Obvious typo fixed.

--
Paul-B

#15

"Paul-B" <paul (AT) rasf1 (DOT) net> wrote in news:7lfbnaF3ds972U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net:

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CatharticF1 wrote:

Mike P <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in news:7le7b8F3df4mpU1
@mid.individual.net:

Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

We tifauxsi are so proud

Obvious typo fixed. [Britpack (TM)]

As was the omission of your accreditation..

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

#16

WebSlave <webslavenews (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Bernie got it half right. Testing doesn't bring in any money, racing
does. From a fan's point of view, testing doesn't improve racing, nor
does it provide much extra excitement.

With more testing, the big teams would correct their mistakes faster,
which means more predictable results. Not desirable, unless you want
you favourite team to benefit from it.

But consider that for a minute.

Without testing, all teams take a fair time to catch up (if they can)
with any innovation.

Suppose it had been McLaren or Ferrari who had the big advantage at the
start of 2009 instead of Brawn. Would the rest of the pack be capable
of catching up under the no-testing regime? Brawn couldn't compete with
in-season development of McLaren, nor even of Ferrari (though they gave
up earlier).

In a similar situation to the DDD, you could see McLaren or Ferrari with
a 17 win season.

Personally, I wouldn't like to see that.

#17

"APLer" <APLer (AT) floor (DOT) tilde> wrote

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"AC" <xxx (AT) xxx (DOT) xxx> wrote in news:LLpIm.26686$6O1.25790 (AT) newsfe08 (DOT) ams2:

"Mike P" <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:7le7b8F3df4mpU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...
Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

It reads like a defense against Max saying, "Look, told you so. Ha ha
ha".

Any one who looks at the losses of these companies and thinks that
ponsing about doing F1 is some how going to please share holders is
living on a different planet. Especially when they sell road cars and
there are other places to show case and develop them. F1 is ridiculously
expensive, and that has been caused in part by the manufacturers.

Funny that Toyota and BMW were a strong part of FOTA, opposed cost
cutting, then left. Perhaps Renault too. Way to go FOTA. Talk about
poisoning the well.

And what was the biggest waste of them all? KERS Something the teams had
no part in proposing. Sorry, but this wasting money hand over fist is
nonsence IMHO. Just like the argument that NASA and pure research are
wasted money. The only people who say that are dull-witted politicians
that don't care if they're right. They're going for the lowest common
denominator - votes. Enter Max and his unbreakable election record. Open
up the engines and go back to one aero surface on the front, one on the
back, a difuser, and no protruberances that weren't there at the beginning
of the season. Someone may even come up with the next traction control or
ABS. They both happened before Max was in.

Calm down, Max has gone. Interesting that all you do is bang on about KERS
and not the issue in hand. But then this is quite typical of the anti Max
loon brigade. Anything Max says and touches is wrong. Blah, blah, blah.

AC

#18

Chad wrote:

Quote:

WebSlave wrote:
Mike P wrote:

I think we'll just have to wait and see what, if any changes JT
and FOTA working together can make. For one, the testing ban has
to go, it's ridiculous.

Well, let's hope JT can talk the teams out of it, then. It was the
teams that wanted the test ban. Max thought it was a bit too strict,
but since that's what they wanted, then that's what they got.

-Webs-

There has to be something us average fans don't understand about the
testing ban.

I don't think I can recall any team or driver criticising it despite
so many fans thinking it has turned out to be an obvious mistake.

There is a one dimensional reason for the in season testing ban. Cost.
By banning in season testing in it's previous form the teams cut a huge
cost from their budgets and also created the illusion of a more even
playing field. With all the emphasis being on cutting costs
re-introducing any portion of that cost would be going against the
tide. It appears a narrow minded, introvert and short-sighted approach.

What doesn't seem to have hit the press is any discussion of increasing
testing opportunities over race weekends, at least at a select number
of the more popular events.

One would think that Thursday testing or additional Friday testing at
the very least would have been discussed within FOTA and it's hard to
see that the argument would go against it in some form. It could also
be used as a method to ensure reserve drivers get some hours in the car.

--
Bigbird
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#19

CatharticF1 wrote:

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Mike P <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in news:7le7b8F3df4mpU1
@mid.individual.net:

Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

We tifosi are so proud

Disengage brain and lap it up.

--
Bigbird
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#20

AC wrote:

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"Mike P" <privacy (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:7le7b8F3df4mpU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...
Bizarre happenings ..

1. Ferrari sticking the knife into the FIA
2. I'm finding myself agreeing with them..

very weird.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

Mike P

It reads like a defense against Max saying, "Look, told you so.
Ha ha ha".

Any one who looks at the losses of these companies and thinks that
ponsing about doing F1 is some how going to please share holders
is living on a different planet. Especially when they sell road
cars and there are other places to show case and develop them. F1
is ridiculously expensive, and that has been caused in part by
the manufacturers.

Funny that Toyota and BMW were a strong part of FOTA, opposed cost
cutting, then left. Perhaps Renault too. Way to go FOTA. Talk
about poisoning the well.

And what was the biggest waste of them all? KERS Something the
teams had no part in proposing. Sorry, but this wasting money hand
over fist is nonsence IMHO. Just like the argument that NASA and
pure research are wasted money. The only people who say that are
dull-witted politicians that don't care if they're right. They're
going for the lowest common denominator - votes. Enter Max and his
unbreakable election record. Open up the engines and go back to one
aero surface on the front, one on the back, a difuser, and no
protruberances that weren't there at the beginning of the season.
Someone may even come up with the next traction control or ABS.
They both happened before Max was in.

Calm down, Max has gone. Interesting that all you do is bang on about
KERS and not the issue in hand. But then this is quite typical of the
anti Max loon brigade. Anything Max says and touches is wrong. Blah,
blah, blah.

AC

Yeah, there are far too many people here who want to use Max as a
whipping boy...

--
Paul-B