It's funny how people rate drivers on how high they finish. Now
suddenly when Alonso and Kimi beat MS on track, they are of a sudden
better drivers than MS.( they got way better cars and tyres than MS
have which makes them look alot faster but it's not true ) MS drove his
best championship last year in 2004 so he still hasn't lost his skill.
He is still the best but he has got a piece of shit car to drive atm.
If Ferrari and Bridgestone can get their act together for the 2006
season, MS will beat Kimi and Alonso like he allways has done. ( I bet
that people will speak differently about him than like they do now )

Mark Webber has been faster than Nick Heidfeld allmost every race this
season and was 1 second faster than Pizzonia at Monza. He's still is
amazingly fast. If the Williams-Ford proves to be a winning combination
next year and he is faster than his teammates like he allways is than
most people will speak all of a sudden differently about him. ( I seen
him racing in F3000 were he beat Alonso in equal cars so the boy can
race :P )

"Dave" <dave (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote in
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Sorry about the mess of that last post....

Webber was invloved in a first corner shunt that wasnt really his fault
though (I dont think)

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FooAtari wrote:
No, DC punted somebody up the backside, and Webber hit DC when he
stopped right in front of him in the middle of the road.

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I donno, he seems like a great test driver who can even qualify well. As a
racer, he falls short. He is not the only one in today's F1 that has the
tester's spirit rather than racer's. Great racers are fast and stay out of
trouble. They have that extra set of eyes and quick hands. Webber, on the
other hand, seems like a magnet for trouble - always finding it at any stage
during a race. As for Webber being faster than Pizzonia and Heidfeld, I
don't know how you determined this. According to the final positions in the
race, Webber has not fared well. According to the fastest laps chart over
the past few races (I haven't checked the whole season) he has trailed his
teammates by as much as 1/2 a second.

Monza saw Webber start 14th and Pizzonia 16th (behind the traffic that was
Webber's down fall this time out) and yet Pizzonia managed to escape that
without hitting anybody and finished in the points at 7th compared to
Webber's dismal 14th. By all rights, Webber should have eaten Pizzonia for
breakfast - especially since Webber thinks Pizzonia is good for nothing, a
belief he made abundantly clear many times at the start of this season.

No, Webber seems to be a great tester but not much of a racer. Looking at
the passing stats for the season about sums up my point. Passes made: Webber
4; Heidfeld 9. Passed by others: Webber 5; Heidfeld 1. Points: Webber 24;
Heidfeld/Pizzonia 30.

"Nick" <catisfitspam (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in news:1126002374.193008.43400
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Just one of those things I guess when the first corner is a really slow
chicane...

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