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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 01:37 PM







"R Brickston" <rb20170remove (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.


Regardless of Schumacher's antics, one must give a little consideration
that in 1994 Schumacher was DSQ'd out of two races and banned for two
more. The first for ignoring a 'stop and go' resulting in a black flag,
also ignored (the claim/excuse is that the team had protested the call and
were waiting for the stewards result). The second DSQ for a out of spec
barge board. Then he was banned for two races for the the black flag
incident.

Yeah, Schumacher's sportsmanship is suspect for sure, but in effect, he
didn't show up at four races and yet was on points parity with Hill, who
got to drive in all of them.
Of course, if Senna was still around, he would have romped home the title.
At the initial races, the Williams was uncompetitive, but I think Senna
actually lapped Hill in the same car. Hill was then able to be competitive
against Schumacher at the end of the year in this car. If Senna had still
been around, he possibly could have been lapping the whole field.

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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 01:54 PM







"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.
--------------------------------------------
The twit has to go back 12 years to dig that up. A lot of relevance to the
present situation and time.

Hal S.




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 02:24 PM




Hal S. wrote:
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"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.
--------------------------------------------

The twit has to go back 12 years to dig that up. A lot of relevance to the
present situation and time.

Hal S.
Exactly!



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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 02:30 PM



Hal S. wrote:
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[snipped]

The twit has to go back 12 years to dig that up. A lot of relevance to the
present situation and time.
Yup, 100% correct.

Cheers

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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 02:41 PM




"Hornplayer9599" <hornplayer9599 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

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R Brickston wrote:
"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.


Regardless of Schumacher's antics, one must give a little consideration
that in 1994 Schumacher was DSQ'd out of two races and banned for two
more. The first for ignoring a 'stop and go' resulting in a black flag,
also ignored (the claim/excuse is that the team had protested the call
and were waiting for the stewards result). The second DSQ for a out of
spec barge board. Then he was banned for two races for the the black flag
incident.

Yeah, Schumacher's sportsmanship is suspect for sure, but in effect, he
didn't show up at four races and yet was on points parity with Hill, who
got to drive in all of them.

Actually, I think Schumacher's second DSQ was a result of his spin at Spa
where "The Plank" showed too much wear.
Right, it was the plank.




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 03:07 PM



Mark wrote:
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Of course, if Senna was still around, he would have romped home the title.
At the initial races, the Williams was uncompetitive, but I think Senna
actually lapped Hill in the same car. Hill was then able to be competitive
against Schumacher at the end of the year in this car. If Senna had still
been around, he possibly could have been lapping the whole field.
this is possible, but it's hardly any reason to award Hill the title
over Schumacher.


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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 05:30 PM



Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote in
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I think that for the sake of the sport, it is a great shame that they
did not lodge the protest. I can understand the reasoning, but if they
actually believed at the time that MS had deliberately driven into Hill,
then surely getting someone so dangerous out of the sport should have
been a higher priority than the considerations Head refers to.
You may note that Head was referring to the illegality of the benetton
_car_ not Schumacher/Hill incident at Adeliade.

Presumably he is referring to The Benetton's alleged use of Traction
Control.

Z.

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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 07:58 PM





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I think that for the sake of the sport, it is a great shame that they did
not lodge the protest. I can understand the reasoning, but if they
actually believed at the time that MS had deliberately driven into Hill,
then surely getting someone so dangerous out of the sport should have been
a higher priority than the considerations Head refers to.
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They shouldn't have too. If it's blatant like it was the race officials
should have stood up and did something.




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 11:52 PM



"John Smith" <someone (AT) microsoft (DOT) com> wrote in
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I think that for the sake of the sport, it is a great shame that they
did not lodge the protest. I can understand the reasoning, but if
they actually believed at the time that MS had deliberately driven
into Hill, then surely getting someone so dangerous out of the sport
should have been a higher priority than the considerations Head
refers to. --
Richard Miller

They shouldn't have too. If it's blatant like it was the race
officials should have stood up and did something.
You mean like Hill driving into the back of Schu at Monza and Silverstone
the following year?

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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 11:54 PM




"CatharticF1" <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote

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You mean like Hill driving into the back of Schu at Monza and Silverstone
the following year?
Describe? What part of your butt did you yank that little wilnot from?












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