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Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994
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Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 -
06-20-2006
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I don't see any "slip-road" that MS could have driven up. Further, if you watch the video, he barely touches the wall, so who can claim that the Bennetton was "stricken?" In the video it looks like Hill is at least equally to blame. |
great speed - and driving back onto the track, getting in Hill's way as
he does so. So far so good. But then as Hill draws alongside and inside
of him Schumacher accelerates and cuts across the front of Hill. THAT
is the damning moment and having watched that video I'm now revising my
point of view on this and coming around to accept that Schumacher did a
dirty on Hill. One might argue that all Hill had to do was keep clear
and wait for the Benetton to break - but that presumes that the
Benetton was damaged and that Hill would know that. At this stage of
things and with a championship at stake Hill really had only one
option: get past Schumacher.
So I disagree with Head's version of events (but not his comments about
the team's motives - only he can know how true that is and Head usually
shoots from the hip), but I do find the incident very similar to Jerez
'97 and I now believe that in both cases Schumacher tried to take his
rival out.
I'm not sure that any other driver would have done the same thing.
However, in both cases there was a point in the championship and
Schumacher was duelling it out with the championship rival towards the
end of the last race of the season. One of the interesting things about
sport is that it sometimes puts people in extreme positions and thus
puts their character to extreme tests. Not many drivers have twice been
in the position that Schumacher found himself in. So it's hard to say
what any of Schumacher's contemporaries would have done.
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"Ralph Bergman" <ralph.bergman3 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in news:449612f5$0$9914$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com: "CatharticF1" <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote You mean like Hill driving into the back of Schu at Monza and Silverstone the following year? Describe? It's self evident - I watched it at the time and on two occasions Damon made what could be at best judged impetuous and at worst bloody minded attempts that took both of them off the road. Damon received a one race suspended ban for the Monza incident. But as he's not the whipping boy around here that is conveniently forgotten. |
To my mind both were very poor overtaking attempts in the 'let me
through or crash' style. Are you claiming they are more, and that
Damon had an agenda in deliberately causing these crashes? Maybe to
give his fellow Brit (although Schumacher's team mate) Johnny Herbert
a couple of easy wins?
Silverstone in particular just seemed like a rush of blood in front of
an expectant home crowd, jumping into less than half a gap.
If you're comparing these moves to Adelaide, I don't think that's
valid. The gaps and speed differentials are vastly different. The move
in Adelaide was valid given how off line Schumacher was, and how much
slower than normal he was travelling. Neither are true of Monza or
Silverstone.
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CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote: "Ralph Bergman" <ralph.bergman3 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in news:449612f5$0$9914$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com: "CatharticF1" <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> wrote You mean like Hill driving into the back of Schu at Monza and Silverstone the following year? Describe? It's self evident - I watched it at the time and on two occasions Damon made what could be at best judged impetuous and at worst bloody minded attempts that took both of them off the road. Damon received a one race suspended ban for the Monza incident. But as he's not the whipping boy around here that is conveniently forgotten. Definitely not forgotten here. To my mind both were very poor overtaking attempts in the 'let me through or crash' style. Are you claiming they are more, and that Damon had an agenda in deliberately causing these crashes? Maybe to give his fellow Brit (although Schumacher's team mate) Johnny Herbert a couple of easy wins? Silverstone in particular just seemed like a rush of blood in front of an expectant home crowd, jumping into less than half a gap. If you're comparing these moves to Adelaide, I don't think that's valid. The gaps and speed differentials are vastly different. The move in Adelaide was valid *** given how off line Schumacher was, and how much slower than normal he was travelling. *** |
Dave
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Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote in news:qkedPQZB6jlEFw1K (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk: ?oBut, as far as Australia 1994 is concerned, Monaco 2006 doesn?Tt really make any difference. ?oAnd that?Ts because, that day in Adelaide, we at Williams were already 100% certain that Michael was guilty of foul play. ?oIt was so blatant. ?oHe was about to drive his stricken Benetton up the slip-road when he spotted Damon?Ts Williams about to pass him and abruptly veered across the track to prevent that happening.? That is utter rubbish though Richard.. I watched it and at the time with no reason for an accusation of partiality. That is simply specious and moreso plainly incorrect. He did what any driver did in that situation, he was desperate to defend his position and took a defensive line into the corner without to regard to the condition of his car or anything else. The simple undigestible fact for you all is that Williams should have told Damon to relax and not make a move that he likely thought was his only chance and so overplayed. |
Williams or Damon to consider the strategy or discuss on team radio.
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Had Hill won it would have been a incredible injustice. MS had dominated Hill that year in all but one race (Suzuka - which was a fine performance by Damon). -- CatharticF1 "What you thought was Freedom is just Greed." |
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"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316 Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier that year. "Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the illegality of the Benetton car. "What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco," he said. "I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994 and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman in the sporting sense of the word. "He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he doesn't care how he achieves that aim. "But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these things, given the track record. -------------------------------------------- The twit has to go back 12 years to dig that up. A lot of relevance to the present situation and time. |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:00:01 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net wrote: The simple undigestible fact for you all is that Williams should have told Damon to relax and not make a move that he likely thought was his only chance and so overplayed. They had all of 3 seconds to that. Had Hill won it would have been a incredible injustice. MS had dominated Hill that year in all but one race (Suzuka - which was a fine performance by Damon). Lemme see .... Was that dominance down to having better; 1) driving? 2) car? 3) package? 4) fuel blend? 5) 5th gear? 6) black flag myopia? 7) plank wear? 8) refuelling rig? 9) change management? 10) mirrors? 13) software? |
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HooDooWitch <hoodoowitch_REM (AT) OVE_hindcottage (DOT) co.uk> wrote in news:ai3d9212uo94oan9eaaf6fal00l2rhirjr (AT) 4ax (DOT) com: On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:00:01 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net wrote: Had Hill won it would have been a incredible injustice. MS had dominated Hill that year in all but one race (Suzuka - which was a fine performance by Damon). Lemme see .... Was that dominance down to having better; 1) driving? 2) car? 3) package? 4) fuel blend? 5) 5th gear? 6) black flag myopia? 7) plank wear? 8) refuelling rig? 9) change management? 10) mirrors? 13) software? Alright I'll bite. Where's 11 and 12? |
11 & 12 were never there in Bennetton's software. Pressing a
combination of buttons on the steering wheel allowed the driver to
scroll down to the obfuscated option 13, revealing an item labelled
"Launch Control" in an era when LC was banned.
I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to whether they used it or
not, or whether they tried to deliberately obscure its existence from
the FIA. Flavio says they didn't use it. He also said that they hadn't
tampered with their fuel rig, nor had they [as well as other teams]
been using illegal fuel.
1994 was a dark year in F1.
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HooDooWitch
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"CatharticF1" <eferrari (AT) heaven (DOT) net> skrev i melding news:Xns97E7ACD198A26eferrariheavennet (AT) 202 (DOT) 83.64.15... The simple undigestible fact for you all is that Williams should have told Damon to relax and not make a move that he likely thought was his only chance and so overplayed. Rubbish, the whole episode took about five seconds, not possible for either Williams or Damon to consider the strategy or discuss on team radio. Doc Had Hill won it would have been a incredible injustice. MS had dominated Hill that year in all but one race (Suzuka - which was a fine performance by Damon). |
If Michael pranged Damon deliberately, it is Michael who thieved a
World Drivers' Championship - his first - through an incredible injustice.
Damon and Williams, for whatever reasons, let the matter lie; for which
they should be complimented and considered superior to Michael and
Ferrari who, to my knowledge, never issued a denial, demurral, nor
anything beyond Michael's self-satisfied smirk when he realized Damon
would not be completing another lap of the Adelaide circuit.
Attempting to force the ostensible victim into the role of culprit, in
this circumstance, is intellectually, morally and spiritually corrupt.
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Cheerie-vederci . . .
j a m e s
Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.
-- Gilbert Keith Chesterton
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Damon and Williams, for whatever reasons, let the matter lie; for which they should be complimented and considered superior to Michael and Ferrari |
ITYM Benetton.
Paul
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"James Connors" <jconnors (AT) calcna (DOT) ab.ca.invalid> wrote in message news:nGTlg.65588$771.13235 (AT) edtnps89 (DOT) .. Damon and Williams, for whatever reasons, let the matter lie; for which they should be complimented and considered superior to Michael and Ferrari ITYM Benetton. |
become inextricably bound to Ferrari while the Benetton 'brand' has
simply disappeared.
I expect the law of, 'There is no such things as bad publicity,
excepting Adolf and the Nazis,' holds true - a testament to the current
age of celebrity celebrated over content.
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Cheerie-vederci . . .
j a m e s
Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.
-- Gilbert Keith Chesterton
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